(February 21, 2017 at 1:02 pm)Huggy74 Wrote:(February 21, 2017 at 12:22 pm)pocaracas Wrote: Are you being deliberately dense?
Or deliberately.... what was the word I used before?... disingenuous?
How is that disingenuous? By definition either that scripture is describing the relativity of time or it isn't, which is it?
It's describing a sort of psychological relativity.
Not "the relativity" as it is expanded in the Theory of Relativity by Einstein.
The theory of relativity explains how time passes differently for objects moving at different speeds... wait for it.... RELATIVE to each other.
What is in that scripture has nothing to do with it... it merely pertains to how the passage of time is perceived differently by the two entities: humans and god.
Which then begs the question: how would anyone know about that to put in writing?
We do know, however, that we perceive time to pass differently, when we are in different environments...
Because you are talking about a psychological perception of the passage of time and calling it Relativity, as if it's the same thing as the Theory of Relativity, I was labeling you disingenuous.
(February 21, 2017 at 1:02 pm)Huggy74 Wrote:(February 21, 2017 at 12:22 pm)pocaracas Wrote: Brilliant misuse of the resources available to you and a complete misunderstanding of what I meant!*emphasis mine*
Fruit flies are widely used in genetics experiments, because there is a particular species of fruit flies with a very well detailed genome, a species that has been bred and bred and bred and cloned and cloned.... and they always start with flies that have that very well known genome.
They then let them evolve under different conditions... these are the experiments.
At some point, after many generations of experimentation, the resulting fruit flies are no longer the species that they started off from. They can't interbreed. Not the same species.
That's what I said, go back and read it again.
There are various species of fruit flies in the wild.... and scientists have generated a few more in the lab.
I see google is not unknown to you, so I'm sure you can find these results on your own.
Then you misunderstood what I asked you. I asked you to provide an example of completely separate species producing fertile offspring.
(February 21, 2017 at 10:42 am)Huggy74 Wrote: What you need to do is provide an example is of completely separate species producing fertile offspring.
If you're stating that different species cannot interbreed, then you agree with what I said.
The Fruit flies in the experiment became a different species, compared to the original species, and were happily producing offspring.
Whatever happened to that IQ?!
Or are you wanting an example of completely different species interbreeding and producing offspring.... and fertile ones at that?!
Well, then... if that was possible, they wouldn't be different species to begin with, would they? It's kinda in the definition of species.
So it seems you're asking for me to supply you with a married bachelor... the edges of a sphere... the fourth side of a triangle...
Why?
(February 21, 2017 at 1:02 pm)Huggy74 Wrote:Somehow, I seriously doubt that "evidence" would be as convincing to me... but.. fair enough!(February 21, 2017 at 12:22 pm)pocaracas Wrote: In quantum physics, they call it a superposition of states.
Many possibilities, no way to find out which is actually true, so we don't pick one... we let them all stir in the pot.
Again, why do you choose to believe what the bible says about it?
Why, out of the myriad possibilities, do you choose to accept that one particular as the only one representative of reality?
Because it's a personal conviction, I've seen enough evidence to have no doubts about what I believe, and frankly that's all that matters.
(February 21, 2017 at 1:02 pm)Huggy74 Wrote:(February 21, 2017 at 12:22 pm)pocaracas Wrote: Come on, Huggy... you're always going on about how you're misrepresented... try to read what people write, too!
The question was about the "definition of a spirit" or "description of a spirit".
Try again... please don't be lazy.
Your question was
(February 21, 2017 at 11:07 am)pocaracas Wrote: So, whatever the definition of a spirit is, do you think it agrees with the reality that you see around you?If I define a spirit as being incorporeal, then it does not agree with reality. I posted a video I thought gave a reasonable explanation.
In the example Carl Sagan gives "up" does not exist in a 2 dimensional world, therefore a 3 dimensional entity does not agree with that reality.
Are you saying that you know that there are higher dimensional beings, but we just can't detect them with conventional 3-dimensional means?
If you came across such information, then surely you can describe how those beings interacted with out 3D plane...
(February 21, 2017 at 1:02 pm)Huggy74 Wrote:(February 21, 2017 at 12:22 pm)pocaracas Wrote: Your question was irrelevant to the matter at hand, wasn't it?Humor me.
The Absence of time I was talking about is not the same as whatever time passes as things travel through the Universe's space-time.
An electromagnetic wave does not age as it moves through the Universe... in it's inertial frame of reference.
In any slower frame of reference, it does age.