(February 24, 2017 at 2:51 pm)MysticKnight Wrote:(February 24, 2017 at 2:46 pm)Aoi Magi Wrote: Yes, I agree till the point that if a creator exists only he should be able to properly present his case and am open to such presentation.
But the thing is all of the views being presented before me are being done by "humans", not by the creator himself. These humans have presented claims to have been chosen or appointed by this said creator, but as you yourself understand, these people cannot and have not presented a remotely convincing case yet. Think about it for a bit, even in your religion, is god making a case for himself or is a human acting as the intermediary and making claims on the supposed creators behalf?
This getting into semantics of what is considered God's direct guidance and what is considered not his guidance.
I would give a chance of those claiming to be intermediates between God and us. If they cannot show any wisdom of why they would be intermediates and cannot prove it, they you can let them be and even argue against them.
But without giving them even a chance, and just dismissing them because there happens to be mathematically more wrong religions, is lazy. If there is a true religon, most religions would be false. If there is no religion that is true, only one more religion would be false.
Therefore talking about majority of religions or believers of different religions not presenting a good case, if you look it objectively, doesn't really mean much.
Nope, before you get into the guidance bit, theres the part about defining the creator from whom the guidance is coming. And the confirmation bias starts right from there. Going by what you are calling the "reverse approach", one has to first choose the best description of god that matches their own imagination, before examining the proofs being presented.
If you want to start by examining the proofs first, then that's the standard approach, and you are quite wrong if you think atheists haven't given those a chance or haven't dissected those enough. In this very board, not a single religion has successfully presented it's case yet, and throughout the ages none have stood up to scrutiny. Atheists dismiss religions because they failed to make their case, not because something else is false.
If you have any real proofs which haven't been examined, then do let the creator present it.
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