(February 24, 2017 at 2:51 pm)MysticKnight Wrote:(February 24, 2017 at 2:46 pm)Aoi Magi Wrote: Yes, I agree till the point that if a creator exists only he should be able to properly present his case and am open to such presentation.
But the thing is all of the views being presented before me are being done by "humans", not by the creator himself. These humans have presented claims to have been chosen or appointed by this said creator, but as you yourself understand, these people cannot and have not presented a remotely convincing case yet. Think about it for a bit, even in your religion, is god making a case for himself or is a human acting as the intermediary and making claims on the supposed creators behalf?
This getting into semantics of what is considered God's direct guidance and what is considered not his guidance.
Therefor, the answer is Ali !
Best guidance ever
Quote:I would give a chance of those claiming to be intermediates between God and us.
Again, who are these intermediates?
Let me guess: ALI !
Word gymnastics. Gigantic jumps just to reach this point. Isn't that what the whole Shiite religion is about, worshiping intermediates that make arguments for themselves...I mean God?
I refuse your intermediates.
I just don't like them.
They are bloodthirsty. And waged so many wars. Actually, until this day some Shiite Muslims cut themselves in public gore festivals to celebrate the bloody intermediates you want me to follow:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashura#Vio...ing_Ashura
Sorry, my "demon" is writing this; not me !!
Quote:If they cannot show any wisdom of why they would be intermediates and cannot prove it, they you can let them be and even argue against them.
Why is their "wisdom" is either:
1-A wall of text that hurt my demonically possessed eyes?
2-Cannot be preached but through rifles and bombs, like the Shiite fellas do in Iraq and Syria?
Quote:But without giving them even a chance, and just dismissing them because there happens to be mathematically more wrong religions, is lazy. If there is a true religon, most religions would be false. If there is no religion that is true, only one more religion would be false.
If you hold the "truth" in your hand, you will never use the word "most".
That's why you can fly a jet with science. But you can't using the "wisdom" of Ali. Which is written by somebody else, for a Persian kingdom some place.
Prove me wrong! Ride a carpet and say:
"Ali Ali Ali" 50 times.
How's the weather up there?
Turn off the AC !!
Quote:Therefore talking about majority of religions or believers of different religions not presenting a good case, if you look it objectively, doesn't really mean much.
They aren't. When you want to study in a good university, where would you go?
Saudi Arabia or London?
Tehran or Berlin?
You're writing in "Latin" in this forum; not Arabic.
No, believers did some nasty job. Excuse me, but what good case?
Is it the blood rivers soaking me and my brethren? The ISIS? or the Shiite gangs of rape and plunder in Iraq and Syria?
Saudi Arabia? or Iran's funny hats?
What good case?
No, believers cut down Islam into sects, killed each other, brought me and you into a dark age.
Just open your eyes to see that.
