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That's the story, anyway. Unfortunately....
[quote]It is admitted on all sides, however, that Constantine's vision
of the cross is probably not historically true. The only
authority from whom the story has been gathered by historians is
Eusebius, who confessedly was prone to edification and was
accused as a "falsifier of history."[/quote] And yet, that too is a story. While in other circles Eusebius is held credible as a true and honorable recorder of the histories. Much like the Jewish historian Josephus. Who many Christians to this day believe gave account of Jesus as a true historical figure. When really all Josephus "recording" of Jesus was interpolation. Lies inserted into his writings by Christians, who thought the credibility of Josephus as an honorable historian would carry forth their account of their fictional Christ, unimpeeded.
Not to forget also that Constantine was a writer, creating many records in Greek. So what of his own words about the event of the vision of the cross? I think it was politically expedient on his part to claim as much, especially with the Greek message that it bore. "in hoc signo vinces" ('in this sign you will conquer') . In any case, it's suspect that while he allegedly claimed he'd convert to Christianity after the victory at Milvian bridge that he was actually one who remained Pagan until he was converted to Christianity, some say against his will, on his death bed.
[quote]Xtians controlled the books. Another most likely made up story is that of the fucking pope turning back Attila the Hun from Rome in 452. Rome in 452 was no longer the capital of even the Western Empire ( it had been moved to Ravenna in northern Italy decades earlier) and moreover Rome had been thoroughly sacked by the Goths in 410 and must not have looked like a very inviting prize. But these are xtians and not above lying after all.
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True enough. And yet, not relevant during the time of Julian nor Constantine.
That's the story, anyway. Unfortunately....
[quote]It is admitted on all sides, however, that Constantine's vision
of the cross is probably not historically true. The only
authority from whom the story has been gathered by historians is
Eusebius, who confessedly was prone to edification and was
accused as a "falsifier of history."[/quote] And yet, that too is a story. While in other circles Eusebius is held credible as a true and honorable recorder of the histories. Much like the Jewish historian Josephus. Who many Christians to this day believe gave account of Jesus as a true historical figure. When really all Josephus "recording" of Jesus was interpolation. Lies inserted into his writings by Christians, who thought the credibility of Josephus as an honorable historian would carry forth their account of their fictional Christ, unimpeeded.
Not to forget also that Constantine was a writer, creating many records in Greek. So what of his own words about the event of the vision of the cross? I think it was politically expedient on his part to claim as much, especially with the Greek message that it bore. "in hoc signo vinces" ('in this sign you will conquer') . In any case, it's suspect that while he allegedly claimed he'd convert to Christianity after the victory at Milvian bridge that he was actually one who remained Pagan until he was converted to Christianity, some say against his will, on his death bed.
[quote]Xtians controlled the books. Another most likely made up story is that of the fucking pope turning back Attila the Hun from Rome in 452. Rome in 452 was no longer the capital of even the Western Empire ( it had been moved to Ravenna in northern Italy decades earlier) and moreover Rome had been thoroughly sacked by the Goths in 410 and must not have looked like a very inviting prize. But these are xtians and not above lying after all.
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True enough. And yet, not relevant during the time of Julian nor Constantine.
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