(March 6, 2017 at 2:56 pm)SteveII Wrote:(March 6, 2017 at 2:17 pm)Kernel Sohcahtoa Wrote: Hello, SteveII. Out of curiosity, regarding the concepts of god and scientific truth, are you familiar with the concept of an isomorphism from mathematics?
Please forgive me, but essentially, suppose we have two groups, A and B, which appear to be different; however, if we can rename the elements of group A so that they coincide with the properties and patterns of the elements of group B, then we have effectively transformed A into B. In essence, A and B are actually the same groups and the only difference is that they have different names for their elements. Hence, A and B are isomorphic to each other; we can equivalently say that there is an isomorphism from A to B.
With that said, is it possible that the pursuit of scientific truth and the pursuit of god, despite being different ways of interpreting reality, could ultimately lead humanity to the same conclusion (or perhaps multiple conclusions?); however, because this conclusion was pursued via different modes of thought, could people actually be calling it something different when it is actually not? [1]
Does gaining an accurate understanding of reality extend beyond humanity's current level of thought, whether it be via god concepts, a lack of god concepts, or some other current means of understanding the world around us? [2]
1. I agree. If God exists, then all truth is God's truth and while we might use different methods to examine different areas, it would have to lead to the same conclusions.
2. I believe that God create the universe to be explored and figured out (that's why science flourished better under a Christian worldview than a worldview that imbued nature with supernatural qualities). I also think he has given us enough revelation (natural and revealed) to understand him as much as we are capable.
Thank you for your reply, SteveII. I'm afraid that I did not communicate my questions very well. Regarding [1], is the conclusion you came to, namely that if god exists then all truth is god's truth, the only conclusion? Is it equally valid for a scientist to say that if all truth can be obtained via scientific truth, then all truth is scientific truth? Hence, regarding [1] and [2], does ultimate truth exist outside of god and science? Are god and science just means for people to pursue some truth that is currently beyond their understanding?
