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Poll: How do you define atheism?
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Absence of a belief in god
95.12%
39 95.12%
Belief that there is no god
4.88%
2 4.88%
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What is Atheism?
RE: What is Atheism?
(March 10, 2017 at 10:37 am)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: But really, the motivation behind all the fuss is the contention that theists alone have any burden of proof.

No. Both sides carry a burden of proof.

It is just that atheists meet theirs.

(March 10, 2017 at 10:37 am)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: When their objections to the best explanation (Classical theism) are revealed as irrelevant or incoherent AND their multitude of alternative explanations are shown to be weak and inadequate, they run away like petulant children shouting, "Yeah, but you cannot PROVE God exists!"

Theism, classical or otherwise, is not the "best explanation" for anything. It has literally zero explanatory power. It is functionally equivalent to "because magic".

(March 10, 2017 at 12:06 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote:
(March 10, 2017 at 11:17 am)Mister Agenda Wrote: If homeopathy was believed in for centuries and almost everyone but a few irrationally skeptical scientists believed in it unquestioningly, to prove it really works, the null hypothesis to overcome would still be 'homeopathically treated water is indistinguishable from the same water if not homeopathically treated in its medical effects'.

I guess what you are trying to say is that a world without God is indistinguishable from a world in which God exists. Is it? That begs the question by assuming you already know what a godless universe would look like.

No. He is pointing out that the null hypothesis is not a question of how many people believe a certain proposition to be true. The null hypothesis is not determined by consensus. It is the position which has already met its burden of proof - that is, the position that does not posit the existence of any entities or properties of entities not already in evidence.

And we don't assume that we know what a godless universe looks like. We conclude it, because we see a universe that apparently lacks gods.

(March 10, 2017 at 12:06 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote:
(March 10, 2017 at 11:17 am)Mister Agenda Wrote: 'The world is all that exists' is the null hypothesis. If you want to show that something besides the world exists, that's the proposition that you need to overcome.

If you are going to take that to the ultimate extreme then the null hypothesis is actually solipsism.

No. Solipsism is incoherent, and boils down to semantic games. It is the null hypothesis up until the point where you actually start experiencing anything, at which point it is discarded.

(March 10, 2017 at 12:15 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: We are saying that the proposition "God exists' is the most parsimonious explanation that accounts for the most observable facts about reality.

You are also failing to back this up.
"Owl," said Rabbit shortly, "you and I have brains. The others have fluff. If there is any thinking to be done in this Forest - and when I say thinking I mean thinking - you and I must do it."
  - A. A. Milne, The House at Pooh Corner



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What is Atheism? - by SuperSentient - March 3, 2017 at 2:35 am
RE: What is Atheism? - by Alex K - March 3, 2017 at 2:57 am
RE: What is Atheism? - by Jesster - March 3, 2017 at 3:37 am
RE: What is Atheism? - by SuperSentient - March 3, 2017 at 3:43 am
RE: What is Atheism? - by Jesster - March 3, 2017 at 3:47 am
RE: What is Atheism? - by SuperSentient - March 3, 2017 at 3:55 am
RE: What is Atheism? - by Jesster - March 3, 2017 at 4:02 am
RE: What is Atheism? - by Ben Davis - March 3, 2017 at 9:39 am
RE: What is Atheism? - by Cephus - March 7, 2017 at 1:35 pm
RE: What is Atheism? - by Alex K - March 3, 2017 at 3:46 am
RE: What is Atheism? - by ignoramus - March 3, 2017 at 3:48 am
RE: What is Atheism? - by Whateverist - March 3, 2017 at 9:17 am
RE: What is Atheism? - by Mister Agenda - March 3, 2017 at 9:20 am
RE: What is Atheism? - by FatAndFaithless - March 3, 2017 at 9:25 am
RE: What is Atheism? - by Neo-Scholastic - March 3, 2017 at 9:54 am
RE: What is Atheism? - by Whateverist - March 3, 2017 at 10:08 am
RE: What is Atheism? - by downbeatplumb - March 4, 2017 at 5:14 am
RE: What is Atheism? - by account_inactive - March 4, 2017 at 11:51 pm
RE: What is Atheism? - by Ben Davis - March 6, 2017 at 9:39 am
RE: What is Atheism? - by FatAndFaithless - March 3, 2017 at 10:02 am
RE: What is Atheism? - by Edwardo Piet - March 4, 2017 at 11:47 pm
RE: What is Atheism? - by SuperSentient - March 5, 2017 at 12:24 am
RE: What is Atheism? - by Whateverist - March 5, 2017 at 12:27 am
RE: What is Atheism? - by SuperSentient - March 5, 2017 at 12:49 am
RE: What is Atheism? - by Mister Agenda - March 6, 2017 at 10:51 am
RE: What is Atheism? - by Jesster - March 5, 2017 at 1:00 am
RE: What is Atheism? - by SuperSentient - March 5, 2017 at 4:04 am
RE: What is Atheism? - by Edwardo Piet - March 4, 2017 at 11:56 pm
RE: What is Atheism? - by ignoramus - March 6, 2017 at 12:03 am
RE: What is Atheism? - by SuperSentient - March 6, 2017 at 12:11 am
RE: What is Atheism? - by ignoramus - March 6, 2017 at 12:37 am
RE: What is Atheism? - by Whateverist - March 6, 2017 at 10:21 am
RE: What is Atheism? - by mlmooney89 - March 6, 2017 at 10:29 am
RE: What is Atheism? - by Whateverist - March 6, 2017 at 12:35 pm
RE: What is Atheism? - by mlmooney89 - March 6, 2017 at 12:46 pm
RE: What is Atheism? - by Whateverist - March 6, 2017 at 12:57 pm
RE: What is Atheism? - by mlmooney89 - March 6, 2017 at 1:14 pm
RE: What is Atheism? - by Whateverist - March 6, 2017 at 1:25 pm
RE: What is Atheism? - by SteveII - March 6, 2017 at 12:59 pm
RE: What is Atheism? - by Whateverist - March 6, 2017 at 1:11 pm
RE: What is Atheism? - by SteveII - March 6, 2017 at 1:43 pm
RE: What is Atheism? - by Simon Moon - March 6, 2017 at 2:16 pm
RE: What is Atheism? - by Neo-Scholastic - March 6, 2017 at 3:08 pm
RE: What is Atheism? - by Whateverist - March 6, 2017 at 3:19 pm
RE: What is Atheism? - by Simon Moon - March 6, 2017 at 1:28 pm
RE: What is Atheism? - by Kernel Sohcahtoa - March 6, 2017 at 2:17 pm
RE: What is Atheism? - by SteveII - March 6, 2017 at 2:56 pm
RE: What is Atheism? - by Kernel Sohcahtoa - March 6, 2017 at 3:31 pm
RE: What is Atheism? - by SteveII - March 6, 2017 at 5:01 pm
RE: What is Atheism? - by Kernel Sohcahtoa - March 6, 2017 at 6:37 pm
RE: What is Atheism? - by SteveII - March 6, 2017 at 7:41 pm
RE: What is Atheism? - by Kernel Sohcahtoa - March 7, 2017 at 12:11 pm
RE: What is Atheism? - by SteveII - March 7, 2017 at 1:14 pm
RE: What is Atheism? - by Kernel Sohcahtoa - March 7, 2017 at 2:01 pm
RE: What is Atheism? - by SteveII - March 7, 2017 at 2:33 pm
RE: What is Atheism? - by Nonpareil - March 7, 2017 at 2:40 pm
RE: What is Atheism? - by Fidel_Castronaut - March 6, 2017 at 2:34 pm
RE: What is Atheism? - by Whateverist - March 6, 2017 at 3:07 pm
RE: What is Atheism? - by Harry Nevis - March 8, 2017 at 11:34 am
RE: What is Atheism? - by SteveII - March 8, 2017 at 1:58 pm
RE: What is Atheism? - by SteveII - March 8, 2017 at 4:24 pm
RE: What is Atheism? - by Aegon - March 6, 2017 at 10:46 am
RE: What is Atheism? - by Whateverist - March 6, 2017 at 1:29 pm
RE: What is Atheism? - by Neo-Scholastic - March 6, 2017 at 3:01 pm
RE: What is Atheism? - by Nonpareil - March 6, 2017 at 3:38 pm
RE: What is Atheism? - by Neo-Scholastic - March 6, 2017 at 3:59 pm
RE: What is Atheism? - by Nonpareil - March 6, 2017 at 8:38 pm
RE: What is Atheism? - by Jesster - March 6, 2017 at 6:05 pm
RE: What is Atheism? - by Neo-Scholastic - March 6, 2017 at 6:20 pm
RE: What is Atheism? - by Jesster - March 6, 2017 at 6:24 pm
RE: What is Atheism? - by Whateverist - March 6, 2017 at 6:54 pm
RE: What is Atheism? - by Rhondazvous - March 6, 2017 at 7:32 pm
RE: What is Atheism? - by masterofpuppets - March 8, 2017 at 12:49 pm
RE: What is Atheism? - by FatAndFaithless - March 8, 2017 at 12:51 pm
RE: What is Atheism? - by Neo-Scholastic - March 8, 2017 at 1:31 pm
RE: What is Atheism? - by masterofpuppets - March 8, 2017 at 2:38 pm
RE: What is Atheism? - by FatAndFaithless - March 8, 2017 at 2:53 pm
RE: What is Atheism? - by SteveII - March 8, 2017 at 3:17 pm
RE: What is Atheism? - by Neo-Scholastic - March 8, 2017 at 3:40 pm
RE: What is Atheism? - by FatAndFaithless - March 8, 2017 at 4:06 pm
RE: What is Atheism? - by SteveII - March 8, 2017 at 4:17 pm
RE: What is Atheism? - by FatAndFaithless - March 8, 2017 at 4:23 pm
RE: What is Atheism? - by SteveII - March 8, 2017 at 4:48 pm
RE: What is Atheism? - by Jesster - March 8, 2017 at 4:52 pm
RE: What is Atheism? - by Whateverist - March 8, 2017 at 5:06 pm
RE: What is Atheism? - by Crossless1 - March 8, 2017 at 4:23 pm
RE: What is Atheism? - by Neo-Scholastic - March 8, 2017 at 4:53 pm
RE: What is Atheism? - by Nonpareil - March 8, 2017 at 4:59 pm
RE: What is Atheism? - by Neo-Scholastic - March 8, 2017 at 6:17 pm
RE: What is Atheism? - by Nonpareil - March 8, 2017 at 7:01 pm
RE: What is Atheism? - by Mister Agenda - March 10, 2017 at 11:17 am
RE: What is Atheism? - by Neo-Scholastic - March 10, 2017 at 12:06 pm
RE: What is Atheism? - by Mister Agenda - March 10, 2017 at 12:22 pm
RE: What is Atheism? - by Crossless1 - March 8, 2017 at 5:02 pm
RE: What is Atheism? - by Whateverist - March 8, 2017 at 4:56 pm
RE: What is Atheism? - by Jesster - March 8, 2017 at 4:25 pm
RE: What is Atheism? - by RoadRunner79 - March 8, 2017 at 5:11 pm
RE: What is Atheism? - by Jesster - March 8, 2017 at 5:14 pm
RE: What is Atheism? - by Simon Moon - March 8, 2017 at 5:21 pm
RE: What is Atheism? - by RoadRunner79 - March 8, 2017 at 5:37 pm
RE: What is Atheism? - by Jesster - March 8, 2017 at 5:39 pm
RE: What is Atheism? - by RoadRunner79 - March 8, 2017 at 6:10 pm
RE: What is Atheism? - by Jesster - March 8, 2017 at 6:18 pm
RE: What is Atheism? - by RoadRunner79 - March 8, 2017 at 6:31 pm
RE: What is Atheism? - by Jesster - March 8, 2017 at 6:34 pm
RE: What is Atheism? - by Simon Moon - March 8, 2017 at 8:21 pm
RE: What is Atheism? - by Jesster - March 8, 2017 at 9:42 pm
RE: What is Atheism? - by Neo-Scholastic - March 8, 2017 at 6:20 pm
RE: What is Atheism? - by Jesster - March 8, 2017 at 6:26 pm
RE: What is Atheism? - by RoadRunner79 - March 9, 2017 at 6:50 pm
RE: What is Atheism? - by Cyberman - March 9, 2017 at 11:15 pm
RE: What is Atheism? - by RoadRunner79 - March 10, 2017 at 12:54 am
RE: What is Atheism? - by Whateverist - March 10, 2017 at 1:04 am
RE: What is Atheism? - by RoadRunner79 - March 10, 2017 at 1:15 am
RE: What is Atheism? - by AceBoogie - March 10, 2017 at 9:22 am
RE: What is Atheism? - by RoadRunner79 - March 10, 2017 at 10:15 am
RE: What is Atheism? - by AceBoogie - March 10, 2017 at 10:20 am
RE: What is Atheism? - by Neo-Scholastic - March 10, 2017 at 10:37 am
RE: What is Atheism? - by AceBoogie - March 10, 2017 at 11:15 am
RE: What is Atheism? - by Neo-Scholastic - March 10, 2017 at 12:15 pm
RE: What is Atheism? - by AceBoogie - March 10, 2017 at 12:30 pm
RE: What is Atheism? - by Mister Agenda - March 10, 2017 at 12:31 pm
RE: What is Atheism? - by Kernel Sohcahtoa - March 10, 2017 at 1:01 pm
RE: What is Atheism? - by Minimalist - March 10, 2017 at 11:45 am
RE: What is Atheism? - by RoadRunner79 - March 10, 2017 at 11:55 am
RE: What is Atheism? - by Mister Agenda - March 10, 2017 at 12:01 pm
RE: What is Atheism? - by RoadRunner79 - March 10, 2017 at 12:25 pm
RE: What is Atheism? - by Mister Agenda - March 10, 2017 at 3:47 pm
RE: What is Atheism? - by Mister Agenda - March 10, 2017 at 12:10 pm
RE: What is Atheism? - by Neo-Scholastic - March 10, 2017 at 1:19 pm
RE: What is Atheism? - by Mister Agenda - March 10, 2017 at 1:48 pm
RE: What is Atheism? - by Neo-Scholastic - March 10, 2017 at 2:12 pm
RE: What is Atheism? - by downbeatplumb - March 10, 2017 at 2:17 pm
RE: What is Atheism? - by Nonpareil - March 10, 2017 at 12:51 pm
RE: What is Atheism? - by Mister Agenda - March 10, 2017 at 11:06 am
RE: What is Atheism? - by Whateverist - March 10, 2017 at 2:29 pm
RE: What is Atheism? - by AceBoogie - March 12, 2017 at 9:48 am
RE: What is Atheism? - by Whateverist - March 10, 2017 at 2:21 pm
RE: What is Atheism? - by RoadRunner79 - March 10, 2017 at 3:27 pm
RE: What is Atheism? - by Neo-Scholastic - March 8, 2017 at 3:38 pm
RE: What is Atheism? - by FatAndFaithless - March 8, 2017 at 3:18 pm
RE: What is Atheism? - by LastPoet - March 8, 2017 at 3:40 pm
RE: What is Atheism? - by Athene - March 8, 2017 at 3:59 pm
RE: What is Atheism? - by FatAndFaithless - March 8, 2017 at 4:52 pm
RE: What is Atheism? - by AceBoogie - March 9, 2017 at 9:51 am
RE: What is Atheism? - by Jesster - March 9, 2017 at 9:18 pm
RE: What is Atheism? - by Minimalist - March 9, 2017 at 9:29 pm
RE: What is Atheism? - by Cyberman - March 10, 2017 at 5:57 am
RE: What is Atheism? - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - March 10, 2017 at 7:46 am
RE: What is Atheism? - by FatAndFaithless - March 10, 2017 at 10:40 am
RE: What is Atheism? - by Neo-Scholastic - March 10, 2017 at 11:10 am
RE: What is Atheism? - by RoadRunner79 - March 10, 2017 at 12:46 pm
RE: What is Atheism? - by Jesster - March 10, 2017 at 4:25 pm
RE: What is Atheism? - by Amarok - March 10, 2017 at 2:26 pm
RE: What is Atheism? - by FatAndFaithless - March 10, 2017 at 3:08 pm
RE: What is Atheism? - by Cyberman - March 10, 2017 at 3:29 pm
RE: What is Atheism? - by FatAndFaithless - March 10, 2017 at 3:39 pm
RE: What is Atheism? - by Amarok - March 10, 2017 at 3:12 pm
RE: What is Atheism? - by Mister Agenda - March 10, 2017 at 4:19 pm
RE: What is Atheism? - by Amarok - March 10, 2017 at 4:28 pm
RE: What is Atheism? - by Jesster - March 10, 2017 at 4:48 pm
RE: What is Atheism? - by Cyberman - March 10, 2017 at 5:23 pm
RE: What is Atheism? - by Amarok - March 10, 2017 at 5:25 pm
RE: What is Atheism? - by Jesster - March 10, 2017 at 8:23 pm
RE: What is Atheism? - by Kernel Sohcahtoa - March 11, 2017 at 12:07 am
RE: What is Atheism? - by Jesster - March 11, 2017 at 12:10 am
RE: What is Atheism? - by masterofpuppets - March 10, 2017 at 9:33 pm
RE: What is Atheism? - by Jesster - March 10, 2017 at 10:32 pm
RE: What is Atheism? - by Jesster - March 10, 2017 at 10:48 pm
RE: What is Atheism? - by Neo-Scholastic - March 11, 2017 at 12:57 am
RE: What is Atheism? - by Nonpareil - March 11, 2017 at 1:14 am
RE: What is Atheism? - by Neo-Scholastic - March 11, 2017 at 1:22 am
RE: What is Atheism? - by Nonpareil - March 11, 2017 at 1:37 am
RE: What is Atheism? - by masterofpuppets - March 11, 2017 at 1:41 am
RE: What is Atheism? - by Cyberman - March 11, 2017 at 2:02 am
RE: What is Atheism? - by Whateverist - March 13, 2017 at 12:43 pm
RE: What is Atheism? - by Neo-Scholastic - March 11, 2017 at 1:45 am
RE: What is Atheism? - by Cyberman - March 11, 2017 at 2:05 am
RE: What is Atheism? - by masterofpuppets - March 11, 2017 at 2:09 am
RE: What is Atheism? - by Whateverist - March 11, 2017 at 3:38 am
RE: What is Atheism? - by downbeatplumb - March 11, 2017 at 4:54 am
RE: What is Atheism? - by Neo-Scholastic - March 11, 2017 at 5:57 pm
RE: What is Atheism? - by Nonpareil - March 11, 2017 at 7:19 pm
RE: What is Atheism? - by downbeatplumb - March 11, 2017 at 7:33 pm
RE: What is Atheism? - by masterofpuppets - March 11, 2017 at 8:54 pm
RE: What is Atheism? - by Kernel Sohcahtoa - March 12, 2017 at 12:40 am
RE: What is Atheism? - by downbeatplumb - March 12, 2017 at 5:37 am
RE: What is Atheism? - by Nonpareil - March 11, 2017 at 1:45 am
RE: What is Atheism? - by Cyberman - March 11, 2017 at 2:11 am
RE: What is Atheism? - by Jesster - March 11, 2017 at 2:17 am
RE: What is Atheism? - by Amarok - March 11, 2017 at 3:47 am
RE: What is Atheism? - by masterofpuppets - March 11, 2017 at 4:16 am
RE: What is Atheism? - by Amarok - March 11, 2017 at 4:28 am
RE: What is Atheism? - by Jesster - March 11, 2017 at 4:34 am
RE: What is Atheism? - by Jesster - March 11, 2017 at 4:46 am
RE: What is Atheism? - by masterofpuppets - March 11, 2017 at 6:38 am
RE: What is Atheism? - by comet - March 11, 2017 at 9:57 am
RE: What is Atheism? - by comet - March 11, 2017 at 9:51 pm
RE: What is Atheism? - by Whateverist - March 11, 2017 at 10:27 pm
RE: What is Atheism? - by masterofpuppets - March 12, 2017 at 5:54 am
RE: What is Atheism? - by Cyberman - March 12, 2017 at 5:58 am
RE: What is Atheism? - by Neo-Scholastic - March 12, 2017 at 3:26 pm
RE: What is Atheism? - by Kernel Sohcahtoa - March 12, 2017 at 4:33 pm
RE: What is Atheism? - by downbeatplumb - March 12, 2017 at 5:38 pm
RE: What is Atheism? - by Cyberman - March 12, 2017 at 6:39 pm
RE: What is Atheism? - by masterofpuppets - March 12, 2017 at 11:07 pm
RE: What is Atheism? - by Nonpareil - March 12, 2017 at 11:59 pm
RE: What is Atheism? - by Cephus - March 13, 2017 at 5:58 pm
RE: What is Atheism? - by Brian37 - March 13, 2017 at 3:21 pm
RE: What is Atheism? - by Brian37 - March 12, 2017 at 10:37 am
RE: What is Atheism? - by Amarok - March 12, 2017 at 12:30 pm
RE: What is Atheism? - by Brian37 - March 12, 2017 at 1:05 pm
RE: What is Atheism? - by comet - March 12, 2017 at 3:26 pm
RE: What is Atheism? - by Jesster - March 12, 2017 at 3:30 pm
RE: What is Atheism? - by Neo-Scholastic - March 13, 2017 at 2:23 pm
RE: What is Atheism? - by Harry Nevis - March 13, 2017 at 3:14 pm
RE: What is Atheism? - by Nonpareil - March 13, 2017 at 3:55 pm
RE: What is Atheism? - by masterofpuppets - March 13, 2017 at 7:08 pm
RE: What is Atheism? - by AceBoogie - March 13, 2017 at 4:45 pm
RE: What is Atheism? - by Neo-Scholastic - March 13, 2017 at 4:50 pm
RE: What is Atheism? - by Nonpareil - March 13, 2017 at 5:36 pm
RE: What is Atheism? - by Brian37 - March 14, 2017 at 10:36 am
RE: What is Atheism? - by RoadRunner79 - March 14, 2017 at 4:36 pm
RE: What is Atheism? - by Jesster - March 14, 2017 at 5:11 pm
RE: What is Atheism? - by RoadRunner79 - March 14, 2017 at 6:03 pm
RE: What is Atheism? - by Jesster - March 14, 2017 at 6:06 pm
RE: What is Atheism? - by Neo-Scholastic - March 14, 2017 at 7:29 pm
RE: What is Atheism? - by Cephus - March 14, 2017 at 10:01 pm
RE: What is Atheism? - by Brian37 - March 15, 2017 at 6:53 am
RE: What is Atheism? - by houseofcantor - March 13, 2017 at 6:10 pm
RE: What is Atheism? - by Neo-Scholastic - March 15, 2017 at 3:22 pm
RE: What is Atheism? - by Cephus - March 15, 2017 at 3:26 pm
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