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Poll: Do you think halal meat is humane?
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I'm a muslim of course I do!
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Compassion is for fools!
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Why is halal legal?
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RE: Why is halal legal?
(July 8, 2011 at 12:32 am)Aerzia Saerules Arktuos Wrote: If the goal is only death, then the goal does not involve the speed at which this arrives. It is not required that the death be painless and it can be slow. Prolonging death and bleeding the creature out improves the quality of the meat. Especially if it is frozen in ice-saltwater immediately after it is slain to not only delay the onset of rigor mortis: but also to soften it.

Well, what I meant was that the immediate goal is the death of the animal, but one of the overall goals of life should be to decrease suffering. What you say about the quality of the meat is interesting as I hadn't heard that before. At this point it becomes a question of is that extra quality worth the suffering of the animal. You don't have to answer that as I'm pretty sure I know what you think.

Aerzia Saerules Arktuos Wrote:It would be a mistake to mistake appreciation for enjoyment. And I like how pain informs me of what not to strain further... much safer than continuing to damage a body part until it needs to be removed entirely.

Now this I can understand. I appreciate pain because it puts the painless times into context. Your explanation, however, says nothing about the pain of others which is what the discussion is about. Not all beings are as masochistic as you come across.Tongue

Aerzia Saerules Arktuos Wrote:Control is an illusion. They have no more control than you or I. There are no choices: everything is already determined. The journey's end is set from it's beginning.

So, since you believe in determinism, do you see it as a cosmic force guiding things or do you believe that our brain structure predetermines our behavior?


Aerzia Saerules Arktuos Wrote:If we are concerned with the future: we will react in the present. Should you have a problem with Halal meat... fine then: you have it now and you will work with it now. If you have a problem with the Halal of the past... well tough: there's nothing to fix, for that trail has ended..

We do react in the present and can't change the past, but if we sit idly by, we are determined to repeat the mistakes of the past.
Even if the open windows of science at first make us shiver after the cozy indoor warmth of traditional humanizing myths, in the end the fresh air brings vigor, and the great spaces have a splendor of their own - Bertrand Russell
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Why is halal legal? - by Napoléon - July 4, 2011 at 5:48 pm
RE: Why is halal legal? - by The Grand Nudger - July 4, 2011 at 6:06 pm
RE: Why is halal legal? - by fr0d0 - July 4, 2011 at 6:30 pm
RE: Why is halal legal? - by The Grand Nudger - July 4, 2011 at 6:38 pm
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RE: Why is halal legal? - by The Grand Nudger - July 4, 2011 at 9:40 pm
RE: Why is halal legal? - by padraic - July 8, 2011 at 3:41 am
RE: Why is halal legal? - by Violet - July 4, 2011 at 11:01 pm
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RE: Why is halal legal? - by Violet - July 4, 2011 at 11:13 pm
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RE: Why is halal legal? - by Violet - July 5, 2011 at 4:20 am
RE: Why is halal legal? - by Napoléon - July 5, 2011 at 5:56 am
RE: Why is halal legal? - by Violet - July 5, 2011 at 2:47 pm
RE: Why is halal legal? - by Faith No More - July 5, 2011 at 3:35 pm
RE: Why is halal legal? - by Violet - July 5, 2011 at 5:23 pm
RE: Why is halal legal? - by fr0d0 - July 5, 2011 at 4:04 pm
RE: Why is halal legal? - by Napoléon - July 5, 2011 at 4:09 pm
RE: Why is halal legal? - by Skipper - July 5, 2011 at 6:50 am
RE: Why is halal legal? - by Faith No More - July 5, 2011 at 8:14 am
RE: Why is halal legal? - by Napoléon - July 5, 2011 at 10:44 am
RE: Why is halal legal? - by Faith No More - July 5, 2011 at 11:29 am
RE: Why is halal legal? - by Rayaan - July 5, 2011 at 11:34 am
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RE: Why is halal legal? - by Faith No More - July 5, 2011 at 1:49 pm
RE: Why is halal legal? - by The Grand Nudger - July 5, 2011 at 11:40 am
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RE: Why is halal legal? - by Napoléon - July 5, 2011 at 6:23 pm
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RE: Why is halal legal? - by The Grand Nudger - July 5, 2011 at 9:31 pm
RE: Why is halal legal? - by Rayaan - July 6, 2011 at 2:51 pm
RE: Why is halal legal? - by The Grand Nudger - July 6, 2011 at 2:59 pm
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RE: Why is halal legal? - by Faith No More - July 6, 2011 at 3:01 pm
RE: Why is halal legal? - by The Grand Nudger - July 6, 2011 at 3:06 pm
RE: Why is halal legal? - by Rayaan - July 6, 2011 at 3:36 pm
RE: Why is halal legal? - by The Grand Nudger - July 6, 2011 at 3:40 pm
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RE: Why is halal legal? - by Faith No More - July 6, 2011 at 4:20 pm
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RE: Why is halal legal? - by Rayaan - July 6, 2011 at 4:29 pm
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RE: Why is halal legal? - by Napoléon - July 6, 2011 at 4:41 pm
RE: Why is halal legal? - by Rayaan - July 6, 2011 at 4:52 pm
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RE: Why is halal legal? - by Napoléon - July 6, 2011 at 5:00 pm
RE: Why is halal legal? - by Skipper - July 6, 2011 at 5:32 pm
RE: Why is halal legal? - by The Grand Nudger - July 6, 2011 at 5:15 pm
RE: Why is halal legal? - by The Grand Nudger - July 6, 2011 at 5:35 pm
RE: Why is halal legal? - by Faith No More - July 6, 2011 at 5:37 pm
RE: Why is halal legal? - by fr0d0 - July 6, 2011 at 5:47 pm
RE: Why is halal legal? - by Rayaan - July 6, 2011 at 7:53 pm
RE: Why is halal legal? - by Faith No More - July 7, 2011 at 2:58 am
RE: Why is halal legal? - by Violet - July 7, 2011 at 3:27 am
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RE: Why is halal legal? - by Rayaan - July 7, 2011 at 3:46 am
RE: Why is halal legal? - by The Grand Nudger - July 6, 2011 at 7:56 pm
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RE: Why is halal legal? - by Violet - July 7, 2011 at 1:35 pm
RE: Why is halal legal? - by Napoléon - July 7, 2011 at 2:32 pm
RE: Why is halal legal? - by Violet - July 7, 2011 at 2:36 pm
RE: Why is halal legal? - by Faith No More - July 8, 2011 at 12:20 am
RE: Why is halal legal? - by The Grand Nudger - July 7, 2011 at 1:52 pm
RE: Why is halal legal? - by Violet - July 7, 2011 at 2:11 pm
RE: Why is halal legal? - by The Grand Nudger - July 7, 2011 at 2:12 pm
RE: Why is halal legal? - by Violet - July 8, 2011 at 12:32 am
RE: Why is halal legal? - by Faith No More - July 8, 2011 at 12:48 am
RE: Why is halal legal? - by Violet - July 8, 2011 at 1:03 am
RE: Why is halal legal? - by Napoléon - July 8, 2011 at 7:00 am
RE: Why is halal legal? - by Violet - July 8, 2011 at 12:58 pm
RE: Why is halal legal? - by The Grand Nudger - July 8, 2011 at 8:33 am
RE: Why is halal legal? - by Rayaan - July 8, 2011 at 3:01 pm
RE: Why is halal legal? - by Napoléon - July 8, 2011 at 5:13 pm
RE: Why is halal legal? - by fr0d0 - July 8, 2011 at 6:37 pm
RE: Why is halal legal? - by Napoléon - July 9, 2011 at 10:03 am
RE: Why is halal legal? - by The Grand Nudger - July 9, 2011 at 10:12 am
RE: Why is halal legal? - by Napoléon - July 9, 2011 at 10:13 am
RE: Why is halal legal? - by Violet - July 9, 2011 at 12:46 pm
RE: Why is halal legal? - by Rayaan - July 9, 2011 at 5:11 pm
RE: Why is halal legal? - by fr0d0 - July 9, 2011 at 5:34 pm
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RE: Why is halal legal? - by fr0d0 - July 9, 2011 at 7:40 pm
RE: Why is halal legal? - by Epimethean - July 9, 2011 at 5:47 pm
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RE: Why is halal legal? - by The Grand Nudger - July 9, 2011 at 7:15 pm
RE: Why is halal legal? - by Rayaan - July 9, 2011 at 9:13 pm
RE: Why is halal legal? - by Napoléon - July 10, 2011 at 7:20 am
RE: Why is halal legal? - by fr0d0 - July 10, 2011 at 7:42 am
RE: Why is halal legal? - by Rayaan - July 10, 2011 at 2:47 am
RE: Why is halal legal? - by Epimethean - July 10, 2011 at 3:17 am
RE: Why is halal legal? - by Rayaan - July 10, 2011 at 4:22 am
RE: Why is halal legal? - by Violet - July 10, 2011 at 5:03 am
RE: Why is halal legal? - by Epimethean - July 10, 2011 at 10:07 am
RE: Why is halal legal? - by Atheist Jew - July 10, 2011 at 12:00 pm
RE: Why is halal legal? - by Violet - July 11, 2011 at 4:21 pm
RE: Why is halal legal? - by Napoléon - July 11, 2011 at 4:23 pm
RE: Why is halal legal? - by Violet - July 11, 2011 at 4:24 pm
RE: Why is halal legal? - by Napoléon - July 11, 2011 at 4:25 pm
RE: Why is halal legal? - by Epimethean - July 10, 2011 at 12:51 pm
RE: Why is halal legal? - by Rayaan - July 11, 2011 at 2:07 am
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