(March 18, 2017 at 7:33 pm)MysticKnight Wrote:(March 18, 2017 at 7:24 pm)KUSA Wrote: I must have missed the memo. When did this happen?
For a very very very long time. Plato proves it. And it's been probably long been proven to humanity before Plato.
God can be proven so many ways. For example, just look at the argument of requirement of God for knowledge. This is true. We cannot honesty discern that we distinguish our true warranted beliefs from those that are not, if we don't have strong foundation for reasoning. [1]
Many Philosophers argue that God is needed to discern knowledge, that is we need to know that there is guarantee there is a way to distinguish between justified belief and non-justified belief, and the mechanisms have to be in place...but it as Plantiga says if naturalism is true yes some beliefs will happen to be warranted and we need them to be to function but some beliefs may as well just be attributed to the path of evolution without warrant. [2]
This for example really strikes me when it comes to morals. How do know a moral is true and should be followed over an opposite moral that others believe? [3]
Are we just to blend with the crowd go with the flow?
Furthermore this proves religion, because the way to truly know oneself in a path of self-knowledge as well as knowledge of God is through a Guide that manifests and lights the way as we walk.
We cannot make up morality and call it righteous, we can't make the leader for us be it ourselves or others can't just call it righteous by our desires, rather we must recognize God and the Guide through the light and sword of truth, honor, and honesty.
1. This argument is begging the question. Truth is based on certain presuppositions, such as the logical absolutes. We don't need a god for this.
2. If you said that we needed God for absolute certainty, then I might accept your argument (and that's a big might), but no one has demonstrated that absolute certainty exists, and I don't even think it's possible.
3. Morals can be justified, but ultimately morals are a human construct. Morals have changed over the years and they will continue to change. Absolute morality is a demonstrably false concept.
The rest is too incoherent to refute.
"Faith is the excuse people give when they have no evidence."
- Matt Dillahunty.
- Matt Dillahunty.