Either you had too much medication or too little. You are going off the hinges man. You are playing the judge.

More likely just batshit crazy.

(March 18, 2017 at 7:05 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: God is proven.

I must have missed the memo. When did this happen?

(March 18, 2017 at 7:24 pm)KUSA Wrote:

(March 18, 2017 at 7:05 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: God is proven.

I must have missed the memo. When did this happen?

For a very very very long time. Plato proves it. And it's been probably long been proven to humanity before Plato.

God can be proven so many ways. For example, just look at the argument of requirement of God for knowledge. This is true. We cannot honesty discern that we distinguish our true warranted beliefs from those that are not, if we don't have strong foundation for reasoning.

Many Philosophers argue that God is needed to discern knowledge, that is we need to know that there is guarantee there is a way to distinguish between justified belief and non-justified belief, and the mechanisms have to be in place...but it as Plantiga says if naturalism is true yes some beliefs will happen to be warranted and we need them to be to function but some beliefs may as well just be attributed to the path of evolution without warrant.

This for example really strikes me when it comes to morals. How do know a moral is true and should be followed over an opposite moral that others believe?

Are we just to blend with the crowd go with the flow?

Furthermore this proves religion, because the way to truly know oneself in a path of self-knowledge as well as knowledge of God is through a Guide that manifests and lights the way as we walk.

We cannot make up morality and call it righteous, we can't make the leader for us be it ourselves or others can't just call it righteous by our desires, rather we must recognize God and the Guide through the light and sword of truth, honor, and honesty.

Man MK, where did you get your brain fried? You're gettinge worse every time it seems, bordering on the delusional. it's unsettling to see what you think are coherent arguments.

(March 18, 2017 at 7:39 pm)Alex K Wrote: Man MK, where did you get your brain fried? You're gettinge worse every time it seems, bordering on the delusional. it's unsettling to see what you think are coherent arguments.

I know it seems strange, because you guys been using reasoning mainly to refute arguments. But you are so use to refuting arguments, you can't tell a sound argument anymore.

The arguments are valid. And the premises are beliefs you all held and still hold and will rely on. You believe in these things. And you do so while denying it which tells you ought to probably confirm it and come to terms with them.

God may seem frightening in the start, his majesty can make you shiver, but you get use to veil by veil, his beauty, and you will come to know him.

Have belief in Him who you see and know deep inside that he exists, and leave away the noise of the dark forces telling you to cling to a false idol that they made and whisper you that is the "I".

I don't think you understand the words "sound" or "valid".

(March 18, 2017 at 7:46 pm)Jesster Wrote: I don't think you understand the words "sound" or "valid".

I use to be overwhelmed by denial of proofs of God by western Academia. I use to see people prove God but it always seem there must be an argument refuting them or something or when some supposedly refutes them, then they have been refuted.

It's sad that Moses told sound arguments for oneness of God and Pharaoh just argued by the falsehood and he won, despite Moses have clear miracles as well.

People sometimes choose a side of an argument with little regard to it's truth, but just need to hear conjecture from one side, against the other.

It's the reality. We all choose where we take our leap of faith. 

You want to believe these arguments don't prove God. But they do.

Gibberish again. Wonderful.

Dude is probably going jihad on us or something.