RE: To explain why we can define God to affirm his existence!
March 24, 2017 at 11:12 am
(This post was last modified: March 24, 2017 at 11:18 am by Angrboda.)
(March 24, 2017 at 10:28 am)MysticKnight Wrote:(March 24, 2017 at 10:23 am)Jörmungandr Wrote: Love and value are not invalidated by subjectivity. You're essentially arguing that these phenomenon need to be transcendent to be real, and that they can only be transcendent if there is an eternal standard in God. This is an argument from ignorance; you can't see how these phenomenon can be transcendent without God, therefore God. Well that's a fallacious argument. And it's easily dismissed on that basis.
My argument is that what we love cannot be just the mask that others put or what we or others tell ourselves we are. It has to be something real.
Your vision of what it means for something to be real is of no consequence. You use the word 'real' like people proclaiming NDEs are real do, it is a vision clouded by a lack of awareness of its own subjective interpretation of what it means for something to be 'real'. Why does it have to be 'real' in the sense in which you mean it's real? It doesn't have to be. There are other solutions to the puzzle that disturbs you, but you won't acknowledge them. That is a stubborness on your part, nothing more. Your ignorance and delusion do not make a positive contribution to the subject. You are possessed by 'truths' that only you can see. That is the hallmark of delusion. Regardless, nothing you have said contravenes my point that you are making an argument from ignorance, and your conclusions can thus be dismissed.
(March 24, 2017 at 10:28 am)MysticKnight Wrote: And that who we are and judgment are interlinked. Love depends on judgment. Take away REAL you, and what is love to love?
The subjective you created by a brain that has no authority on who you truly are, neither to judge, neither to order you!
More appeal to consequences.
(March 24, 2017 at 10:28 am)MysticKnight Wrote: Are we in love with real "who" of people, even though, we may not know it fully or even have false conceptions of them, or are win love with simply with the subjective judgment that has no objective basis?
The phenomena of trust invalidates your speculations. It is the facing of doubt in our judgement of who the other is. The phenomena of trust makes plain that our judgements are uncertain and based in subjectivity.
(March 24, 2017 at 10:28 am)MysticKnight Wrote: Love as I said many times, proves, we know we have exact value. It's our most foundational essence to who we are, and what we know.
You keep asserting things that you believe but do not 'know'. This is dishonest and a sign of the weakness of your vision.
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