RE: Why doesn't hell in Islam and Christianity have Cold as torture?
April 2, 2017 at 12:00 pm
(This post was last modified: April 2, 2017 at 12:03 pm by Mystic.)
(April 2, 2017 at 11:29 am)Brian37 Wrote:(April 2, 2017 at 11:15 am)Rev. Rye Wrote: Of course, Dante has the deepest sections of Hell frozen in ice. Read the last four canti of the Inferno.
Antiquity fucked up our species logic. Dante really wrote a horror book on par with Stephen King, problem with the people who read that book back then took it way too seriously. But meh, one of my favorite bands back in the 80s wouldn't have existed Styx. Too much time on my hands.
Europe has tons of artwork on their churches reflecting the darkness of threat of hell. Out of all the religious artwork in human history, Christianity is the most bland and or portrays too much blood lust. Islam has much prettier holy places to me, but I am not arguing the book, just the look. My favorite religious artwork is the Ancient Egyptians. Vibrant full of color.
What should be pretty about evil and it's consequences?
(April 2, 2017 at 11:59 am)Brian37 Wrote:(April 2, 2017 at 11:46 am)MysticKnight Wrote: The Quran says you can see hell with the eye of certainty if you have certain knowledge! What does this mean? It also states everyone must cross it, what does this mean? It also states in this world hell encompasses the disbelievers! What does this mean?
Indeed the life in the grave is a between stage where reality is opened, but the reality we will be awakened to which is all our actions alive and connected to us, the hour when it is revealed as opened to hidden right now, will unfold on the day of judgment, our actions will take on reality with regards to God's light which is his just judgment, it is then we will have the most accurate view of ourselves and others.
But people who awakened their 6th sense can see the hell in this world given they aren't awakened and at the mercy of misguiding Jinn, and they can see and scent things we have not.
The Quran also mentions the tree of Zaquum which is heads of devils and is the food of hell, but another verse says they will taste nothing but piss. So what does this all mean? It's reality of uncleanness. The fire is as well a metaphor for this awful stench, this awful tasting drink, and it will be like fire on the skin, except there is no real skin, and every time people come use to it which is their metaphorical skin of their souls, it will be changed to a new level which means the skin itself is a new revelation of the uncleanness that they were, which will increase the taste of Zaquum to be worse and there is no getting use to the fire.
There are but 19 Angels that are guardians over the hell and entrusted to afflicting the punishment, they are obedient and do what they are told. Firm in obedience, if told to cut to pieces (metaphorically our hearts when polytheistic deserve this) a person and throw him in hell, they do so fast.
Those who think evil has no negative form and vision from the positive light, who think little of evil deeds, and that God doesn't see it exactly as it is, obviously will not fear hell.
Those who remember that which truly sees things as they are, sees our deeds as they are, naturally will fear their actions coming to life from the book they themselves write by their own actions.
May God curse the dark enemy of humanity who takes the fear away from the place which is distant from God and evil is it's staying place, and makes people mock what he himself fears.
The great thing for Christians and Jews and Muslims is that there is no such thing as hell. The bad thing is all three still stupidly threaten each other with a fictional place. I am no more scared of the motif of hell than I am of Darth Vader or the Death Star.
I don't mock religion ANY religion or any alleged "God" because they are real, I mock them because they are not true.
Mystic, the problem with Christians and Muslims and Jews, is that while not all, but far too much of a big enough minority are using OUR planet of 7 billion for their pissing contest. Now look, I am not unrealistic, I don't expect anyone to disappear as an entire group, but please, I wish all three religions would consider that there are more than just those three competing. There are also Buddhists and Hindus and atheists.
If Muslims and Jews and Christians insist on all their tribal and needless saber rattling, it would be nice if the violent right of all three would find another planet to murder each other over and leave the peaceful humans alone, including the peaceful of those three too.
Instead of asking your hero to get revenge, which is what a "curse" is, maybe you should ask your hero to spread peace instead of worrying about him getting his feelings hurt.
God has a guardian and hero that will establish peace, like every religion believes, and Islam is no exception to the belief of one who will establish peace and justice. The difference in 12ver Shiism, is that this guardian is alive today and is connected to all humans, and has a proof in God's book which has clear proofs of guidance and proofs for itself, as well as the sayings of the Prophet and the Guardian's predecessors.