(April 2, 2017 at 12:00 pm)MysticKnight Wrote:(April 2, 2017 at 11:29 am)Brian37 Wrote: Antiquity fucked up our species logic. Dante really wrote a horror book on par with Stephen King, problem with the people who read that book back then took it way too seriously. But meh, one of my favorite bands back in the 80s wouldn't have existed Styx. Too much time on my hands.
Europe has tons of artwork on their churches reflecting the darkness of threat of hell. Out of all the religious artwork in human history, Christianity is the most bland and or portrays too much blood lust. Islam has much prettier holy places to me, but I am not arguing the book, just the look. My favorite religious artwork is the Ancient Egyptians. Vibrant full of color.
What should be pretty about evil and it's consequences?
(April 2, 2017 at 11:59 am)Brian37 Wrote: The great thing for Christians and Jews and Muslims is that there is no such thing as hell. The bad thing is all three still stupidly threaten each other with a fictional place. I am no more scared of the motif of hell than I am of Darth Vader or the Death Star.
I don't mock religion ANY religion or any alleged "God" because they are real, I mock them because they are not true.
Mystic, the problem with Christians and Muslims and Jews, is that while not all, but far too much of a big enough minority are using OUR planet of 7 billion for their pissing contest. Now look, I am not unrealistic, I don't expect anyone to disappear as an entire group, but please, I wish all three religions would consider that there are more than just those three competing. There are also Buddhists and Hindus and atheists.
If Muslims and Jews and Christians insist on all their tribal and needless saber rattling, it would be nice if the violent right of all three would find another planet to murder each other over and leave the peaceful humans alone, including the peaceful of those three too.
Instead of asking your hero to get revenge, which is what a "curse" is, maybe you should ask your hero to spread peace instead of worrying about him getting his feelings hurt.
God has a guardian and hero that will establish peace, like every religion believes, and Islam is no exception to the belief of one who will establish peace and justice. The difference in 12ver Shiism, is that this guardian is alive today and is connected to all humans, and has a proof in God's book which has clear proofs of guidance and proofs for itself, as well as the sayings of the Prophet and the Guardian's predecessors.
I am being very fair to you because I have the same objection to your calling others not to mock your heros and will mock the heros of other religions. Now, this is not mocking human rights, or the right to make any claim you want. I am objecting to the logic, and would so if you were a Christian or Jew.
It makes no sense to me, when a Christian or Muslim or Jew claim their God is all powerful only to get between him and me.
If a God is all powerful, it would not need a human to protect it, either verbally or physically. If it is all powerful it should be able to squash me like a bug without human's help.
When a Christian or Muslim or Jew say, "Don't pick on my God or prophet or savior" it would be like a 3 foot toddler standing in front of his 6 foot 4 muscle bound dad trying to protect him when he doesn't need your help.
What possibly could I do as a finite weak mortal by calling your God/Prophet names? And if this alleged being cares more about being called names then to me, that makes him a petty God. I think crime and war and disease and death and famine would be far more important than mere words. Is your God so weak he cant fight his own battles without your help? Is he so petty that being called names will crush his ego?
Mystic, trust me. I don't want you dead, I don't hate you. I just don't buy your logic. It makes no sense to claim an all powerful God can do anything he wants to me then step in front of him to protect him. But again, I have the same problem when Christians and Jews claim the "all powerful" attribute too.
This "mocking" on my part is about logic, not bigotry not hate, but logic. I STILL want you here as a fellow human, just like Christians and Jews and anyone of any religion as long as you are non violent. But I also will not be afraid of telling you what I think of your logic. I don't like lying to people. You don't have to go away, but I also don't have any duty to swallow first and never criticize or blaspheme.
