(July 12, 2011 at 6:42 am)Alastor Wrote:
That quote from epicurus is ridiculously out of touch, not one statement makes any sense and I will explain why if you'd like.
Also the definition of God is vague, which is exactly why I say It doesn't make sense to assert he doesn't exist. If an atheist is open to his existence then my question does not apply because he is using the word atheist to admit he really doesn't know, which is what I've suggested made more sense in the first place.
Furthermore, existence came from nothingness whether God was there or not so the problem of God creating himself is not a mystery associated with his existence but reality and therefore should have no bearings as an argument for or against his existence. Also, you assume he judges us, perhaps from religious text, but again I've already shown that religious beliefs are also inherently ignorant.
Also to acknowledge his existence is one thing but to deny his existence is a another. You'd also need proof for that too, unless you were bias toward believing he didn't exist and that as I've shown is no different from religious people. Once again, let me just make it clear that anyone who is open to possibility of God's existence is really just saying he doesn't know. To flat out deny his existence is saying you know which is inherent ignorance.
Out of touch? It merely illustrates how every single thing said about the god (of the desert) is a contradiction. If that quote was the first thing that came into my mind when you asked why an atheist "chose" not to believe, then it will suffice as an answer. I might not answer the question in a satisfactory manner to you, but don't ask if you're not willing to hear different opinions. What's the purpose of you pondering upon such things, if you've rigged the question, not wanting to hear anything else than what you yourself has come up with?
As for the vague god, there's the Epicurus quote significant. "Why call him god?". Truly, if we can't define the being in question, why call it a god? What is a god anyways? For me it is the god of the desert, namely the one from the bible, torah and quaran, and such a being is not real. He is a work of fiction, the worst/best villain ever written. But that simple-minded, arrogant and vengeful god would've created anything? No, he is a god of destruction and nothing more. And if existence and god came of the same nothingness, then he is definitely no creator. Believing in something as ridiculous as a god is idiotic, whether you have religion or not to back you up.
This is the god I deny. There's so much that I don't know about this universe and yes, I consider myself rather ignorant. But I do not go and fill in those blanks with fantasy.
When I was young, there was a god with infinite power protecting me. Is there anyone else who felt that way? And was sure about it? but the first time I fell in love, I was thrown down - or maybe I broke free - and I bade farewell to God and became human. Now I don't have God's protection, and I walk on the ground without wings, but I don't regret this hardship. I want to live as a person. -Arina Tanemura