RE: What are the Characteristics of a NT Christian?
April 6, 2017 at 12:59 pm
(This post was last modified: April 6, 2017 at 1:05 pm by Harry Nevis.)
(April 6, 2017 at 8:12 am)SteveII Wrote:(April 5, 2017 at 9:41 pm)vorlon13 Wrote: If the New Testament Christians are doing it correctly, we will be able to tell because:
15And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. 16He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. 17And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; 18They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover. 19So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God. 20And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen.
Maybe the government could set up testing centers ??
And guess what, the apostles (the people he was talking to) were able to do those things . Read Acts.
Because it said so in a book? Guess what...?
(April 6, 2017 at 9:11 am)Neo-Scholastic Wrote:(April 6, 2017 at 7:59 am)Harry Nevis Wrote: Other christians have said it means everything until the second coming. Wish you guys could get your stories straight.
So according to you people are allowed to express different opinions about everything from cellular biology to the the next day's weather but when it comes to religion 2.2 billion people must be in lock-step agreement about the meaning of one particularly difficult prophecy. If that is your objection to the Christian faith then I would invite you to reexamine your expectations and reflect on your motivations for applying this double standard.
Anyway, that passage, which comes from Luke, is in the context of the destruction of the Temple of Jerusalem, the center of Jewish ritual worship, which as Jesus predicted in that passage was indeed destroyed during the generation to whom He was speaking. Elsewhere Christ specifically referred to Himself as the new Temple which was to become the center of worship.
If you are interested in doing a quick topical study, you might want to grab your concordance and take note of how people used the word, 'word', in various places across the entire canon. You will come to see that it very often refers to the authority or promise of the speaker, like when people give their 'word'. Or as in "In the "Beginning was the Word" because God's promise and authority are eternal. So when Jesus says "my words will not pass away" He is also referring to His divine authority and the promise of salvation in Him, the imperishable Temple.
I would also point out that none of this exegesis contradicts that to which SteveII linked. Scripture is rich and profoundly satisfying on multiple levels. There is something that speaks to the common reader and many rewards for deep study. Bobby Fischer once said that the game of Chess was greater than any player. How much more so for the Word of God!
Oh, please. All this blather is just trying to find internal consistency because the books are so vague as to mean almost anything. Comparing fairy tales to science is ludicrous. Disagree on cellular biology? Big deal. Let the science speak for itself. Disagreeing with so-called scripture? Got you killed not so many years ago. Word of god?! Then god is a shitty writer. Don't blame us for pointing it out.
"The last superstition of the human mind is the superstition that religion in itself is a good thing." - Samuel Porter Putnam