(April 7, 2017 at 11:11 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote:(April 7, 2017 at 10:33 am)Brian37 Wrote: Nobody here is lumping all Christians in together beyond saying you all got it wrong, but again, we have ditched every religion, not just yours.
Of course Christians are diverse, of course you have kind Christians as you can have kind Muslims and kind Jews and kind Hindus and kind Buddhists, then you have the fearful and deluded bigots on the far right, and?
Again, you fall for the same mental trap most humans do, confuse your club/holy writing for being the magical source as to why you are good. Our species ability to show empathy is in evolution, not old myths. We can see that in other species too. If you raise a cat and dog up from a puppy and kitten, they are more likely to get along. We know elephants mourn their dead too.
Yes the Westboro Bapfucks are nutcase bigots, but that doesn't make empathetic liberal theists claims true by proxy.
The logic is still not there, even if I like you, even when we agree on thing like economics and equality for minorities. Neither the left or the right OF ANY RELIGION has any evidence that they are right. I will say however, the ones who read their holy books more literally are on the right and the ones who end up being bigots or more violent.
Your empathy is why you don't do what the bible says, not the bible itself. Our species behaviors, good and bad are in our evolution, not myths.
I agree with you, of course, that there all types of people in all big groups. The good, the bad, the ugly. You are very correct on that.
As for your last sentence about doing what the bible says, I strive to do what it says as it is interpreted through the Church and laid out in the Catechism. There are a lot of valid points made in the bible, especially the teachings of Christ. Which as I said in another thread, is the most important aspect to us Christians, as followers of Christ.
I hope you don't do that. I know you don't do that in reality. I've heard lots of good things from other atheists here about you.
Now take me very seriously and try this. Take your bible, read it from front to back, beginning to end, every verse. And where your God calls for violence, and please don't dare claim he does not, read those verses and ask yourself if you could in reality follow those commands.
I am telling you it is YOU, not that book that makes you empathetic. I know you like the idea of it being the source of human morality, but that simply is not the case.
YES, the NT Jesus DOES depict acts of kindness and charity, and? That still does not negate the OT violence or the revenge of the end of the world God who will torture you forever even for the mere act of thinking for yourself and not believing in him.
You spend the time to compare stories of kindness and charity you will find them in every single religion bar none. That does not prove any god real or any club the root of human morality. That says to me humans simply falsely attributed their morality to their clubs. Again, as I said in my prior posts, we see acts of empathy and compassion and cooperation in other species too.
I am dead serious, read your bible and every time you hit a depiction of violence, either allowed by God or sanction by God ask yourself if you would do that yourself. If the answer is no, then you have better morality than the God you claim is real. I am not saying that to be mean one bit. I am seriously suggesting you take your blinders off and consider your perception of reality is flawed.