RE: God and Big Bang
April 10, 2017 at 1:33 am
(This post was last modified: April 10, 2017 at 1:35 am by Fake Messiah.)
(April 9, 2017 at 7:47 am)Alex K Wrote: How are they addressing or refuting that "God started the big bang", though?
I guess I did not well expressed myself. They're not necessarily refuting that "God started the big bang" but refuting that big bang is the evidence for god. In case of Aron Ra he also speaks about so called "fine tuning" of the universe for us like when he evokes article by Lawrence Krauss. For instance there is a claim that some creationists on this forum believe and which goes: "Astrophysicists now know that the values of the four fundamental forces—gravity, the electromagnetic force, and the “strong” and “weak” nuclear forces—were determined less than one millionth of a second after the big bang. Alter any one value and the universe could not exist. For instance, if the ratio between the nuclear strong force and the electromagnetic force had been off by the tiniest fraction of the tiniest fraction—by even one part in 100,000,000,000,000,000—then no stars could have ever formed at all. Feel free to gulp."
And Krauss explains it: "It is true that a small change in the strength of the four known forces (but nowhere near as small as Metaxas argues) would imply that stable protons and neutrons, the basis of atomic nuclei, might not exist. (The universe, however, would—a rather large error in the Metaxas piece.) This is old news and, while it’s an interesting fact, it certainly does not require a deity.
The constants of the universe indeed allow the existence of life as we know it. However, it is much more likely that life is tuned to the universe rather than the other way around. We survive on Earth in part because Earth’s gravity keeps us from floating off. But the strength of gravity selects a planet like Earth, among the variety of planets, to be habitable for life forms like us. Reversing the sense of cause and effect in this statement, as Metaxas does in cosmology, is like saying that it’s a miracle that everyone’s legs are exactly long enough to reach the ground."
and so on http://www.newyorker.com/tech/elements/a...e-case-god
(April 10, 2017 at 1:07 am)AceBoogie Wrote: Certainly if there is some sort of prime mover god... it's not the god of the Bible.
Certainly and that's why Neil Tyson mentions when Georges Lemaitre (priest) came with a theory of Big Bang people were asking him "Is this proof of creation from the Bible?" and he said "no" because "Bible describes creation of universe in six days."
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
