(April 17, 2017 at 12:35 pm)drfuzzy Wrote: Greetings, AF-ers!
So. I played the Easter Vigil Mass at a Catholic Church on Saturday evening. I was sitting beside a friend who is in the medical profession - very intelligent, very scientifically-oriented. Her understanding of evolutionary biology is much stronger than mine. At the Vigil, they read the "Creation story", the "Exodus", and a whole bunch of other evil bullshit. So, at one point, I just said - "So, the creation story is a complete myth, right?" -- expecting her to agree. She didn't. Her response is "No, not exactly. It's just not couched in scientific terms, because it was written down by people who didn't have that knowledge. But I believe that it is accurate at it's core, because GOD exists OUTSIDE OF TIME." Well. It wasn't a good time for a debate. This debate may never come up, really. Her Father is not well - she's stressed.
But I know that I have read good responses to that "beyond time" fallacy. I just can't find them at the moment. I did a search for a thread here, (I'm pretty sure SOMEBODY brought it up!) -- haven't found that yet either. It boggles the mind, because as far as we can tell, nothing in this universe is "beyond time". And she certainly has no evidence for her assertion.
But if anyone has a really good explanation for why this is a fallacy, an illogical dodge - - or can point me to a good source - - I need to study! Thanks team!
-- Fuzz
Every religion, bar none, have followers who can value science but only up to the point when it conflicts with what they want to cling to. NO LADY YOU CANNOT FIT A SQUARE PEG INTO A ROUND HOLE AFTER THE FACT, EVER!
Humans merely don't like the feeling of being wrong and this is all this amounts to. You by a defective product, someone tells you it is defective, but by that time you are so used to it, you don't want to admit it is defective.
You have PHD medical and science professionals ALL OVER THE WORLD, many can and do leave their religion outside the lab, even if they try to mix it outside the lab, like this example. But every religion does this, not just Christianity. Muslims and Jews and Buddhists and Hindus too.
It is all nonsense no matter who tries it. If science could point to a single religion or single god, considering we can look 13.8 billion years into the past, I think we could have figured that out by now. BUT guess what, we have. Evolution gives us the reason humans make up and buy bad claims. Our species evolved to form groups, but what we don't have when we are born are adult knowledge and adult critical thinking skills. So most humans end up taking the claims their parents hand down to them. That gives that society a social order, but that does not make the claim that majority has, in any given society right. False perceptions can and do lead to success and social structure. The ancient Egyptians were successful for 3,000 years centered around the false belief of their gods that never existed.
