RE: Debunking the "God is Beyond Time" xtian response
April 18, 2017 at 2:04 pm
(This post was last modified: April 18, 2017 at 2:21 pm by Brian37.)
(April 17, 2017 at 4:05 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote:(April 17, 2017 at 12:43 pm)Alex K Wrote: As a physicist who has worked with higher dimensions, I'd say that it isn't a fallacy but merely an unwarranted assumption. You can e.g. postulate God having His own time or times as His temporal dimensions of movement which provide Him with something like a dynamical quality (actually doing things in our sense wrt His timeline.) while looking onto our timeline as a dimension which He can access arbitrarily and see whole. This only works if our timeline is deterministic though, but it isn't in and of itself contradictory or fallacious imho.
Indeed, it depends on one's theory of time be it presentism or eternalism or something else. As for me, I see merits to both and remain undecided. I'm not sure what theological problem the Christian friend of the OP hoped to avoid with the phrase "outside of time."
Nope I disagree, this is simply more speculation with no evidence. You can dream up countless gap answers. It really is not as complicated as the choice between a god filing in the gap, or humans making up god claims. Why is it you can accept that Thor is not a good answer for lightening? Why is it you can accept that Poseidon is not a good answer for hurricanes? Why would any of this, from the big bang to other dimensions require a super natural cognition?
Humans merely are protecting their own evolutionary cognition which is an outcome, not a starting point, not a requirement. Scientific method does not work from the complex to the simple, but starts out with the attitude that the least complicated possible answer is going to be your most likely answer.
You are still stuck with a 13.8 billion year old universe, as to which humans have only been around a fraction of a second ratio wise, speaking. Seems a waste of time, material and space, for an all powerful God to do all that, even the other dimensions if humans are supposed to be his main goal concern. It makes much more sense to me that humans merely like the idea of a super hero because what they invent as far as a fantasy reflects their own desires to have control over resources and to continue on.
13,800,000,000 years of the universe, as compared to 4 billion years of the earth, as compared to only 150,000 years for the most current form of humans, and even then only about 10,000 since the earliest known human organized writing as a formal language. Seems a waste to me to procrastinate like that.