(April 18, 2017 at 3:57 pm)dyresand Wrote:(April 18, 2017 at 3:55 pm)Brian37 Wrote: The word "all" is the loophole theists use, of course it doesn't work, but that is the fantasy they create to justify anything. If you are "all powerful" you can be both inside and outside time at the same time. You have "all" the options.
But again, you are still stuck with "which one" and infinite regress.
Even at simply a moral level, if God can do anything he wants, then he is certainly capable of lying. If he cant lie then he is not all powerful. If he can lie, then the follower wont be able to tell if they are being lied to. That puts the follower in the position of being manipulated, like a toy.
So you are still stuck with "which one" on top of if he is "all powerful" then he has to logically speaking also be capable of NOT GIVING A SHIT ABOUT AN INDIVIDUAL.
It makes much more sense to me that there is no such thing as a God or anything supernatural and the only thing we can aspire to as a species is caring about our fellow human during our finite ride now.
The thing with all powerful is a contradiction i mean a all powerful being cannot be all good either.
this is the problem with the trinity in the end you can be all anything.
Right!
Because it is a reflection of human behaviors not a real god. Humans in reality are not all good or all bad, some are good, but not perfect even if they are not violent most of their lives. Others don't give a fuck, be they murderers or greedy, and nobody would or should argue any value in those individuals.
Once you accept the reality that both the desirable and that which is harmful and you don't desire are part of a natural process, the superstition fades away.
It is why I can accept a religious person with a god belief as being good, as an individual, but know they are completely full of shit that there is an invisible force or god dictating their actions as an individual. Believer or not, even with atheists, it still amounts to you are a non violent individual or you are not. The individual to me determines how I respond, even with atheists.
