SteveII Wrote:Mister Agenda Wrote:Ah, so you are sawing off omnibenevolence after all, since an omnibenevolent God would not make any world at all if it couldn't make a world without evil.
I presume you don't believe in Satan and demons that tempt humans...I doubt you would claim it's not logically possible for God to make a world where they're not represented.
He would if free will had sufficient value as to allow the possibility of evil (which it seems it does).
Satan and demons don't make us sin so are not part of any argument.
What does God lack that his need for people with free will overrides any harm that may result? God can't foresee which people will choose to be evil and refrain from making them, thereby not violating the free will of any people he does allow to exist? It isn't logically impossible for people to only freely choose good...so an omnipotent God should be able to manage to come up with a world where that's the case, and an omnibenevolent God would want to.
What about natural evil? God can't make planets that don't have earthquakes and tsunamis?
So that wasn't the devil in the Garden, just your run-of-the-mill talking snake? They don't have to make us sin, if we're worse off because of them and God is able to destroy them or confine them away from us, God is morally obliged to do so. We're innocent of their creation, that's on God. Of course if God isn't actually all that benevolent, that's not a consideration.
Believing in demons and the devil having any power at all in our world is inconsistent with believing in the God of theodicy. Just because you believe in God doesn't mean you have to believe in devils and demons. Do you think the free will of evil spirits is an important consideration for God?
I'm not anti-Christian. I'm anti-stupid.
