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[bennyboy]

My question remains unchanged:

Were the scientific ideas conceivable without the universe?

Nope.

“Not Knowing” is neither a good excuse for making fairy tales nor a good excuse for rejecting the existence of God. Quran is the guidance for those who seek truth by means of Logic and by pondering over their own conscious beings and on their environment. Quran is not a guidance for the dolts who are blindly running after their wild desires.

There are 3 possible answers to mysterious questions, like "Where did existence come from."
1) I don't know.
2) I don't know, but maybe it could have been X, Y or Z.
3) I definitely know, because somebody told me so / my favorite sand-people text says so.

(1) is the simplest. (2) is fine, too. (3) is a failure of basic logic-- authorities cannot tell you the truth, unless they can demonstrate that they have access to it.

Your problem is that the Quran cannot be shown to come from Allah, not can the Universe be shown to be created by Allah, nor can Allah be shown to exist at all, except by special pleading and other logic fails that your average 5 year-old would jump on if his IQ was okay. All you have is super-weak logic: "It must have come from SOMEWHERE. . . so Allah."

If someone thinks that universe has no cause and no purpose and that universe came into being out of Nothingness and argue against the Prime Cause for being the cause of all causes with the argument of infinite regression and by overruling the fact that infinite regression leads nowhere but back to Nothingness then that is an utter absurd which is insanely against the principles of Logic and Science. To me that is the most deluded self-deceiving person. The purpose of this ridiculously deluded idea is only one and that is to support the subjective hedonistic desires.

Again, you've chosen (3). The fact is that we do not KNOW where the Universe came from, but there's nothing special about a sentient Allah that solves any philosophical problem. Consider:
(1) Since everything needs a cause, the Universe, which cannot have caused itself, must have been caused by a sentient deity, Allah, which is uncaused.
(2) Since everything needs a cause, the Universe, which cannot have caused itself, must have been caused by a magic space monkey, which is uncaused.
(3) Since everything needs a cause, the Universe, which cannot have caused itself, must have been caused by a philosophical yin/yang symbol, which is uncaused.

It doesn't matter what we put at the end, because it is special pleading. We are using an uncaused causer to solve the problem-- that everything must be caused. We are saying "Everything must be caused, but one special thing." That is the literal and exact definition of special pleading, and it is a logical fallacy. Given any of (1) through (3), we can arrive at:

(4) In order for the Universe to exist, SOMETHING must be uncaused. Since something may be uncaused, then the Universe would violate no rules of causality if IT were uncaused. Therefore, given no evidence for Allah, magic space monkeys, or philosophical yin/yang symbols, the simplest explanation is that the Universe itself is eternal and uncaused.

Give only one rational and intelligible reason to show that Harris is beneficial for humanity. I can name many homosexuals who have contributed greatly to society. I cannot find that you have contributed anything except hot air and spite.

Please do not throw my question behind the person of Harris or some homosexual. You are advocating for homosexuality therefore, it is fair to request you for an explanation on how homosexuality is beneficial for humanity. I would keenly wait for a “rational and intelligible” explanation.

Freddie Mercury, the singer in "Queen," inspired millions. You have not.
Tim Cook, the CEO of Apple, has helped bring many technological wonders into the world. You have not.
Tchaikovsky, the great composer, changed the face of music forever. You have not.
Marlon Brando, the actor, inspired millions. You have not.

There are also very many who had no women around them, and whose correspondence strongly indicates that they were gay:
Shakespeare.
Da Vinci
Plato and Aristotle

But you have refused to answer my question. Demonstrate that YOU provide any value to society. What have you achieved, other than grumping about Jews on an internet forum? Reveal your greatness to us all! *holds breath*

Seriously, though, what benefit do you bring to humanity? Because it seems to me you are doing everything you can to insult rather than to inspire, to spite rather than to love, to blame rather than to accept. I think you are a cancer to society, and that you have little good to offer it. Prove me wrong.

But just for fun, why don't YOU give one rational and intelligible reason to show that pedophiles who have sex with 9 year-old girls should be allowed to explain reality, and why anyone would take them seriously.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zauvfaGzyzQ

That's a lot of work required to validate the non-pedophilia of a fairy-tale's founder. There's a simpler solution-- don't bother with the fairy tale, since Allah cannot be shown to exist, nor to have any influence in our lives.