SteveII Wrote:LadyForCamus Wrote:So then tell us, Steve: How should one navigate through a discussion (with any intellectual honesty, that is) regarding the most accurate definition, and truest description of the nature of such a hypothetical attribute, when the only hypothetical being it has ever been ascribed to can't be demonstrated to exist in the first place?
Maybe afterwords we can have a hearty debate over the exact mechanisms behind Earth's yellow sun making Superman more powerful than a locomotive, eh?
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Ah, the favorite fallback position when an atheist can't field a rebuttal: "but...but...you can't prove that what we have been talking about for 518 posts really exists...so...so...I win...so there!
RoadRunner79 Wrote:I would agree here. Omni present, and omniscience have different meanings. And the meaning Steve gave is not typical nor orthodox for the meaning of Omni present.I know it is not typical. However if someone had not stripped my whole reply down to that sentence, it makes more sense in context I wrote it. However, I will expound on the concept lest people not see the point of being more precise and nuanced than cutting and pasting the first thing that pops on Google.
I believe that the omnipresence of God means he is cognizant of and causally active at every point in space (or cosmos if you prefer)--but not actually present as we typically use the term.
Reasons:
1. The universe is expanding. If God was everywhere, is God expanding? Or perhaps becoming diluted?
2. The universe if finite. Does that mean that God is finite?
3. More silly conclusion can be drawn from a too-simplistic view: for example, is a portion of God in my coffee cup and the rest of him outside of it?
4. The Bible talks regularly about times when God is present and times when he is not. How is that possible if he is always present in the way we normally define it?
5. Is God present in Hell?
Those are good questions. Humpty Dumpty-ism is not a good answer. Why keep the word 'omnipresent' except to just be able to keep saying it?
I'm not anti-Christian. I'm anti-stupid.