RE: Why science and religious fatih need not be in conflict: It's as easy as 1-2-3!
May 1, 2017 at 9:15 pm
(This post was last modified: May 1, 2017 at 9:18 pm by Crunchy.)
Quote:Neo-Scholastic Wrote:
Oh. I see you are using the word 'mystery' the way I use the 'divine'. Am I willfully choosing to make certain assumptions? Perhaps. But I tend to think of my experience as being more similar to how I cannot help but hear my own name even if spoken in the din of a crowd. When people recall their past, are they willfully choosing to remember? Faith is like that..the Holy Spirit reveals itself in an unmediated veridical way.
You're missing the point which is why your not getting past step one.
The first point is about accepting other people's texts on faith vs. your own experiences. You did not experience the resurrection so it's not your experience. That's the whole point.
You accept that an old book is both a literal and accurate account of an event and you accept this on faith alone. That's the bad kind of faith.
It`s not your experience.
Now of course we accept most of our history from texts (and artifacts), but this does not extend to accepting accounts that go against the laws of physics exactly because it goes against our experience of reality. We discern between historical text. You've chosen one on faith (probably because of cultural influences) and ignore your own or anyone else's experience.
Quote:Earlier you made a point about the supernatural. Since the line between natural and supernatural seems fuzzy depending on where one is at in time, I prefer to talk about the uncanny. Uncanny experiences are ubiquitous. Every family has a story to tell. Now clearly parting seas and walking on water take the uncanny to a whole 'nother level, but I would not say that spiritual experiences are in any way one-time events.
Yes but again, neither you nor anyone you know has ever experienced resurrection, literal water walking or parting of seas. You're taking the stories found in an old text on faith, and ignoring your own experiences with reality. This is why you are now in conflict with science when you don't need to be.
Uncanny stories abound, but unless you're trying to invoke the god of the gaps argument, all we can say about that is "I don't know". I think perhaps it's the not knowing that distresses you.
Quote:In any case if you want to describe me as 'stuck' on some lower level of consciousness, I suppose I could reply with something about those who suppress the truth in unrighteousness or some such thing, but i doubt that would get very far nor do I think it would be very sporting.
It has nothing to do with levels of consciousness. It has to do with accepting the uncanny claims of some ancient scribes on faith. That is a misuse of faith.
If god was real he wouldn't need middle men to explain his wants or do his bidding.