RE: The Case Against Compatabilism
May 19, 2017 at 11:41 am
(This post was last modified: May 19, 2017 at 11:51 am by Edwardo Piet.)
(May 19, 2017 at 11:06 am)Whateverist Wrote: But your wording ability is second to none, Hamster.
In what way?
By the way I'm not saying all Compatabilists are homophobic trolls lol. I just said it because it made me laugh. I was just amusing myself.
(May 19, 2017 at 11:35 am)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: Personally, I think the distinction between compatibalism and determinism is largely a distinction without a difference. In neither case, can anyone alter the trajectory of efficient causes and both presuppose physical causal closure.
Compatabilism and determinism are certainly not the same thing.
Compatabilism is the belief that determinism is compatible with free will. Incompatabilism is the belief that determinism is not compatabile with free will.
A compatabilist may or may not believe the universe is deterministic... but either way they believe that if the universe is deterministic that doesn't rule out free will.
An incompatabilist may or may not believe the universe is deterministic... but either way they believe that if the universe is deterministic then that does rule out free will.
A hard incompatabilist believes that free will is impossible with or without determinism.
A libertarian incompatabilist believes that free will is possible but only without determinism.
A soft determinist is a compatabilist who believes the universe is deterministic.
A hard determinist is someone who believes the universe is determined and there is no free will. They may or may not believe free will is possible if the universe is indeterministic. Meaning that if they instead believed the universe was indeterministic then they may take up either the libertarian incompatabilist position and believe in free will or the hard incompatabilist position. Because it's possible to both be a hard incompatabilist and a hard determinist. I myself am one. I believe the universe is determined and it is not compatabile with free will. So I am not a soft determinist or compatabilist. But I am also a hard incompatabilist because I believe even if the universe were indeterministic that still wouldn't get you free will. I wouldn't suddenly start believing in free will. I wouldn't become a libertarian incompatabilist.
So there are three separate questions. There is the question "Is free will possible?" there's the question "If free will is possible is it possible in a deterministic universe?" and there's the question "Do you believe in a deterministic universe?".
