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Believe:
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RE: Believe:
Hey again guys,

To G-Mark, I address these answers. The relevance of my post to EvF is that I am not in the position to offer any evidence about god. I could go on and on and on about all of the evidence as I see it, but we would quickly realize that you would disagree with what I thought the evidence meant. I hope it achieves an attempt to answer the questions EvF graciously forwarded to me.

I did not reference god as 'it', and that is the most appropriate pronoun. I make god a young girl in my mind, but she is far from human. It is personification.

Ummmm... I hope to accomplish... Clear communication? Mutually beneficial learning/ growth? Doing the right thing? Tough question. Thank you, G-Mark, for your time.

Then to EvF. It just makes a lot more sense to me personally. I think god is everywhere rather than nowhere because the latter literally makes no sense to me. It does not add up, it creates a lot more questions than answers. If god were nowhere, than why the infatuation? If there were no god, what made me? I think the fantastic miracle that all of this (the history leading up to now) just so happened, and organized itself just such as to allow for me is very, very hard to swallow. My mother made me, on a genetic and physical level, and I can see evidence of it, and learn from it if I allow myself. What, then, is the mother of humanity? What is the thing, physically and genetically that created the (seemingly) one-of-a-kind sentient skinny monkey? If the reasoning is that the system just created us out of chance or blind luck (good or bad), then that, too me, is as circular as quoting the bible on it's own validity. The system (evolution) created us, but did the system just create itself too? Was is just always there? That, too me, is crazy talk. See none of this is evidence, just other ways of looking at things.

I am quite pleased to hear you say 'just how wonderful life can be'. That is a healthy state-of-mind, and I fully agree. Life is reason for god, only because life is all there is in this realm. If we could discuss death, it would also be reason for god. But we know not of death in here, we will all get our surprise one day. It isn't that my moments of clarity and feeling good mean there must be god, but that there could. The feelings help, but I try to make the deciding points more in reason.

I really do quite appreciate this talk, you are asking relative questions with a clear attempt to understand what I think, regardless of your judgement of it. It is another lovely spring day, and I have some wandering to do. Until next time.
"Do you believe in magic?",
-Pip
And to Giff,

I wouldn't agree with you that it is as likely as the matrix, the existence of god. But it is an apt comparison in that you can't actually tell either way, can you? I have found evidence, and I have a relationship with my god. I do not come here and say 'there must be god', only because that would be foolish. Yes I do not know for sure. Is this the part where you tell me that you know for sure, and I ought to listen up? I can only go on assumptions, and I am going to have to assume that I gather and process information better than yourself, and I will go with my conclusions and not your own, thank you very much. It seems cold, but I am sure that is the decision any of you have made, and well should have.

I can't say it enough, I don't want to prove god to you all. I don't care if you find god or not. I just want to chat.

Thanks,
"thump",
-Pip
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Believe: - by g-mark - April 19, 2009 at 1:43 am
RE: Believe: - by dagda - April 19, 2009 at 4:32 am
RE: Believe: - by Kyuuketsuki - April 19, 2009 at 7:21 am
RE: Believe: - by LukeMC - April 19, 2009 at 9:27 am
RE: Believe: - by Kyuuketsuki - April 19, 2009 at 11:24 am
RE: Believe: - by LukeMC - April 19, 2009 at 2:00 pm
RE: Believe: - by Tiberius - April 19, 2009 at 12:38 pm
RE: Believe: - by fr0d0 - April 19, 2009 at 3:21 pm
RE: Believe: - by LukeMC - April 19, 2009 at 3:34 pm
RE: Believe: - by fr0d0 - April 19, 2009 at 3:54 pm
RE: Believe: - by Edwardo Piet - April 20, 2009 at 4:41 am
RE: Believe: - by g-mark - April 20, 2009 at 6:32 am
RE: Believe: - by leo-rcc - April 20, 2009 at 7:07 am
RE: Believe: - by Edwardo Piet - April 20, 2009 at 7:48 am
RE: Believe: - by athoughtfulman - April 20, 2009 at 8:34 am
RE: Believe: - by Edwardo Piet - April 22, 2009 at 10:22 am
RE: Believe: - by g-mark - April 22, 2009 at 4:02 am
RE: Believe: - by Kyuuketsuki - April 22, 2009 at 4:32 am
RE: Believe: - by Giff - April 22, 2009 at 4:23 am
RE: Believe: - by g-mark - April 22, 2009 at 5:27 am
RE: Believe: - by Kyuuketsuki - April 22, 2009 at 6:15 am
RE: Believe: - by g-mark - April 22, 2009 at 11:18 am
RE: Believe: - by Edwardo Piet - April 22, 2009 at 11:40 am
RE: Believe: - by g-mark - April 22, 2009 at 11:53 am
RE: Believe: - by athoughtfulman - April 23, 2009 at 5:58 am
RE: Believe: - by Pippy - April 23, 2009 at 8:46 pm
RE: Believe: - by Kyuuketsuki - April 24, 2009 at 7:27 am
RE: Believe: - by athoughtfulman - April 24, 2009 at 1:13 am
RE: Believe: - by g-mark - April 24, 2009 at 1:35 am
RE: Believe: - by athoughtfulman - April 24, 2009 at 2:04 am
RE: Believe: - by Pippy - April 24, 2009 at 7:57 am
RE: Believe: - by Kyuuketsuki - April 24, 2009 at 9:04 am
RE: Believe: - by Giff - April 24, 2009 at 9:18 am
RE: Believe: - by Pippy - April 25, 2009 at 8:41 am
RE: Believe: - by Kyuuketsuki - April 27, 2009 at 8:33 am
RE: Believe: - by Pippy - April 28, 2009 at 8:12 am
RE: Believe: - by Kyuuketsuki - April 28, 2009 at 9:52 am
RE: Believe: - by g-mark - April 24, 2009 at 10:21 am
RE: Believe: - by g-mark - April 27, 2009 at 5:20 am
RE: Believe: - by Giff - April 28, 2009 at 8:18 am
RE: Believe: - by Pippy - April 29, 2009 at 8:15 am
RE: Believe: - by Kyuuketsuki - April 29, 2009 at 11:13 am
RE: Believe: - by Pippy - April 30, 2009 at 8:18 am
RE: Believe: - by Kyuuketsuki - April 30, 2009 at 11:08 am
RE: Believe: - by Pippy - April 30, 2009 at 9:25 pm
RE: Believe: - by Kyuuketsuki - May 1, 2009 at 4:32 am
RE: Believe: - by g-mark - May 1, 2009 at 2:14 am
RE: Believe: - by Pippy - May 1, 2009 at 7:50 am
RE: Believe: - by Kyuuketsuki - May 1, 2009 at 11:31 am
RE: Believe: - by Edwardo Piet - May 1, 2009 at 1:40 pm
RE: Believe: - by padraic - May 1, 2009 at 10:02 pm
RE: Believe: - by Giff - May 2, 2009 at 8:21 am
RE: Believe: - by g-mark - May 2, 2009 at 8:32 am
RE: Believe: - by Pippy - May 2, 2009 at 9:58 am
RE: Believe: - by Kyuuketsuki - May 5, 2009 at 6:28 am
RE: Believe: - by fr0d0 - May 2, 2009 at 6:49 pm
RE: Believe: - by Pippy - May 3, 2009 at 4:45 am
RE: Believe: - by Giff - May 3, 2009 at 4:52 am
RE: Believe: - by Pippy - May 3, 2009 at 8:35 am
RE: Believe: - by Edwardo Piet - May 3, 2009 at 8:38 am
RE: Believe: - by Pippy - May 4, 2009 at 5:19 am
RE: Believe: - by g-mark - May 4, 2009 at 5:44 am
RE: Believe: - by Edwardo Piet - May 4, 2009 at 6:48 am
RE: Believe: - by Giff - May 4, 2009 at 8:04 am
RE: Believe: - by Pippy - May 4, 2009 at 8:29 am
RE: Believe: - by g-mark - May 4, 2009 at 9:07 am
RE: Believe: - by Edwardo Piet - May 4, 2009 at 9:36 am
RE: Believe: - by Giff - May 5, 2009 at 3:55 am
RE: Believe: - by Pippy - May 5, 2009 at 9:25 pm
RE: Believe: - by Kyuuketsuki - May 6, 2009 at 5:28 am
RE: Believe: - by Edwardo Piet - May 6, 2009 at 10:38 am
RE: Believe: - by Tiberius - May 6, 2009 at 1:08 pm
RE: Believe: - by Edwardo Piet - May 6, 2009 at 1:09 pm
RE: Believe: - by Pippy - May 6, 2009 at 1:36 pm
RE: Believe: - by Edwardo Piet - May 6, 2009 at 3:28 pm
RE: Believe: - by Giff - May 6, 2009 at 1:52 pm
RE: Believe: - by Pippy - May 6, 2009 at 9:26 pm
RE: Believe: - by Pippy - May 7, 2009 at 8:51 am
RE: Believe: - by Edwardo Piet - May 7, 2009 at 10:30 pm
RE: Believe: - by g-mark - May 7, 2009 at 8:53 am
RE: Believe: - by Edwardo Piet - May 7, 2009 at 9:22 am
RE: Believe: - by Giff - May 7, 2009 at 10:35 am
RE: Believe: - by Edwardo Piet - May 7, 2009 at 10:53 am
RE: Believe: - by Giff - May 7, 2009 at 11:48 am
RE: Believe: - by Pippy - May 7, 2009 at 9:25 pm
RE: Believe: - by g-mark - May 8, 2009 at 6:37 am
RE: Believe: - by Edwardo Piet - May 8, 2009 at 12:49 pm
RE: Believe: - by Giff - May 8, 2009 at 8:46 am
RE: Believe: - by Lotus - May 8, 2009 at 9:10 pm
RE: Believe: - by Edwardo Piet - May 8, 2009 at 9:41 pm
RE: Believe: - by padraic - May 8, 2009 at 10:24 pm
RE: Believe: - by Edwardo Piet - May 8, 2009 at 10:34 pm
RE: Believe: - by Lotus - May 9, 2009 at 7:55 am
RE: Believe: - by Edwardo Piet - May 9, 2009 at 4:06 pm
RE: Believe: - by lilphil1989 - May 12, 2009 at 4:59 pm
RE: Believe: - by Giff - May 9, 2009 at 8:15 am
RE: Believe: - by Pippy - May 9, 2009 at 2:48 pm
RE: Believe: - by Tiberius - May 9, 2009 at 3:45 pm
RE: Believe: - by Ace Otana - May 12, 2009 at 3:53 pm
RE: Believe: - by Edwardo Piet - May 12, 2009 at 3:58 pm
RE: Believe: - by Ace Otana - May 12, 2009 at 4:01 pm
RE: Believe: - by Edwardo Piet - May 12, 2009 at 5:03 pm
RE: Believe: - by fr0d0 - May 12, 2009 at 7:25 pm
RE: Believe: - by Giff - May 13, 2009 at 4:49 am
RE: Believe: - by lilphil1989 - May 13, 2009 at 4:58 am
RE: Believe: - by Giff - May 13, 2009 at 5:03 am
RE: Believe: - by Edwardo Piet - May 13, 2009 at 12:41 pm
RE: Believe: - by fr0d0 - May 13, 2009 at 5:36 pm
RE: Believe: - by Giff - May 14, 2009 at 4:07 am
RE: Believe: - by g-mark - May 14, 2009 at 11:40 am
RE: Believe: - by Edwardo Piet - May 14, 2009 at 1:41 pm
RE: Believe: - by athoughtfulman - May 15, 2009 at 10:51 am
RE: Believe: - by Edwardo Piet - May 15, 2009 at 10:55 am
RE: Believe: - by athoughtfulman - May 15, 2009 at 10:58 am
RE: Believe: - by Edwardo Piet - May 15, 2009 at 12:52 pm

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