(June 22, 2017 at 7:07 pm)Khemikal Wrote:Quote:God made the gruesome deaths and sad events a reality. Allowing for them to happen will make us question the limits of power and control he has.While you may choose to believe this, it's definitely not something that every believer believes in, nor is it a logical necessity of god, nor does this have to be true for there to be a god.
It makes you realize who you are and where you stand.
Maybe theists don't realize it yet; and that's exactly why they kick so hard. Some think they are superior to others, while others think they are so special.
Weakness and realizing the vast size and scale of the universe though, makes us know that above every strong there is what is stronger.
Quote:Quote:Believers who think he isn't responsible, just directed a slap to the concept of creation.I'm not sure why you would choose to believe that..but for many, a god that is not responsible for grizzly murders is, at least on that count, a just god. In any case, a "weak" god...is still a god.
A God who isn't responsible is a weak God.
Respect can't be given to a weak entity; especially one that has no total control over its creations.
"The Creator of Everything" title cannot be earned but through the creation of "everything". That's where I got the belief from.
A weak God is nothing but an ancient Greek fantasy; a feeder of personal ego of ancient Philosophers. Weakness strips any entity from thee Godly traits.
Quote:Quote:But creating it and putting a huge mark of warning over it, is so different from making it happen.Okay?
Forcing us to do them is something totally different than giving us the choice.
Quote:Quote:Colt made guns. But it's serial killers who shot the child; not Colt.Sure, but in the case of many peoples beliefs, god isn't colt, in the analogy, so it's just not relevant to their god concept. God didn't make the guns, or shoot the people. There's certainly no requirement that god made the guns or shoot people in order to be a god..and just as before, none of what you've said has to be true for there to be a god. If a god exists, the just god of many peoples beliefs, who is not responsible for murders, who neither makes the guns nor shoots people...or even a "weak" god might exist.
Justice is having both penalty and reward distributed in a rightful way.
http://www.dictionary.com/browse/justice
Butchering grants us meet. Cutting down trees grant us food and heat. Eating too much will make us fat. Butchering humans will make us killers.
There's a scale; and breaking it is well known to cause disasters.
I truly think that many theists need to rethink their beliefs
Quote:[/quote]Quote:Logically; it's wrong to think he is the cause. But at the same time; he created it; put it in his test; warned people from it.You'll have to unwind your own tangle on that one though, wouldn't you agree? Since it's your unique belief in some personal god that you're discussing? It's just not a problem for anyone who doesn't believe in the kind of god you believe in, and it's certainly not a problem for god, if a god exists.
No; belief in him means believing he created the scale.
Breaking that scale causes so many to die; or worse: tortured; spend their counted days hungry and poor.