A scholar named Alice Wheatley demonstrated back in 2008 that both the later Greek and Syriac variants of the TF derived from Eusebius, not Josephus. Give it up, already. It's a fraud. And it is a fraud for the same reason that recent jesus freaks tried to pump life back into it in the 19th and early 20th centuries. They are embarrassed by the utter void in the historical record of their alleged godboy. And so they should be embarrassed.
Since you have nothing to add except the tired old TF horseshit, I will move on.
On page 293 Carrier writes:
I do have a problem with Carrier because he chooses not to deal with the obvious answer to his own question, that jesusism was a creation of the 2d century not the first but right now I'll play his game. He goes on to list a bunch of writers who wrote of first century issues in Judaea:
Nicolaus of Damascus, Justus of Tiberias, Philo of Alexandria and Josephus ( who, when you eliminate the xtian forgeries never had anything to say about fucking jesus, either, just like the others.)
But there were first century Greco-Roman writers as well who also wrote histories. Marcus Velleius Paterculus, King Juba of Mauretania, Marcus Servilius Nonianus, Pamphila of Epidaurus, Aufidius Bassus, Pliny the Elder, Cluvius Rufus, Julia Agrippina's memoirs ( used as a source by Tacitus)
Petronius Arbiter, Fabius Rusticus, Vespasian and Titus published commentaries on their careers, Seneca the Elder wrote a history up to 40 AD and Pompeius Saturninus at the beginning of the 2d century. NOT A FUCKING WORD FROM ANY OF THEM ABOUT ANY XTIAN BULLSHIT.
Since it was church writers who ultimately determined what would or would not be copied and thus saved it is utterly unthinkable that they would have failed to record even negative comments by Greco-Roman writers even if only to cast aspersions on them as Augustine ineptly tried to do.
So where are the jesusists in the first century. Perhaps someone should send out an APB?
Since you have nothing to add except the tired old TF horseshit, I will move on.
On page 293 Carrier writes:
Quote:Quote:Thus, there are only a few possibilities with any respectable chance of
being true. Either all the evidence of the first decades of Christianity was
actively (and very successfully) suppressed, or it was uncontrol lably (and
very thoroughly) lost despite every desire to preserve it, or Christianity was
so small, insignificant and pervasively illiterate that such evidence never
existed
I do have a problem with Carrier because he chooses not to deal with the obvious answer to his own question, that jesusism was a creation of the 2d century not the first but right now I'll play his game. He goes on to list a bunch of writers who wrote of first century issues in Judaea:
Nicolaus of Damascus, Justus of Tiberias, Philo of Alexandria and Josephus ( who, when you eliminate the xtian forgeries never had anything to say about fucking jesus, either, just like the others.)
But there were first century Greco-Roman writers as well who also wrote histories. Marcus Velleius Paterculus, King Juba of Mauretania, Marcus Servilius Nonianus, Pamphila of Epidaurus, Aufidius Bassus, Pliny the Elder, Cluvius Rufus, Julia Agrippina's memoirs ( used as a source by Tacitus)
Petronius Arbiter, Fabius Rusticus, Vespasian and Titus published commentaries on their careers, Seneca the Elder wrote a history up to 40 AD and Pompeius Saturninus at the beginning of the 2d century. NOT A FUCKING WORD FROM ANY OF THEM ABOUT ANY XTIAN BULLSHIT.
Since it was church writers who ultimately determined what would or would not be copied and thus saved it is utterly unthinkable that they would have failed to record even negative comments by Greco-Roman writers even if only to cast aspersions on them as Augustine ineptly tried to do.
So where are the jesusists in the first century. Perhaps someone should send out an APB?
