In Defense of God.

[Astonished]

So what I'm hearing is a lot of 'well, you can't disprove the deist god' bullshit. That's helpful.

Well, it would be a hell of a claim to say that the deist god -can't- be disproven.  Don;t you think?  Most believers simply think that their god, or perhaps the deist god -hasn't- been disproven.

You can't infer from nature that a designer is 'good' in terms of humanity, you can infer that they are either indifferent or cruel enough to take the occasional deliberate potshot.

Perhaps god is not good?  

What then, if no guidebook, no direct communication, or anything of the sort, can give any other real or rational indications about this supposed deity (whose minimum requirement is the capability to design at least one universe, however competently or incompetently), including whether or not one (or more) even exist, to the point where there is any point whatsoever in discussing or speculating?

I don't see why that's a minimum requirement for a god.  Most gods are not creator gods.  

It is literally a non-issue in this case and should have no impact whatsoever on our lives. Deism as a concept is even stupider than theism because at least theists have something (as spurious as it is, their antiquated texts and traditions) to legitimately argue about.

Some people who believe in gods don't think that the gods are an issue, as you put it - that there is no compulsion for either you or them that they impact your life.

Dude, you can't prove a negative, so any old bullshit claim can't be disproved 100%. It's just the nature of how stupid the entire argument is. And I pointed out that if there is a god, a deist (uncaring) or theist (gives a shit what we do) god, they are not good, that simply cannot be argued so your response to that (which wasn't a question, it was a statement; there was only one question in my post) was unnecessary. And if at least one god in whatever pantheon is being proposed can't be responsible for creation in any respect, their existence is as pointless as the belief in them, and the term 'god' doesn't really fit as it carries certain implications. Unless you want to make the distinction between Titans like Cronos who created everything and the Greek pantheon came after, but that's just word salad which is beneath a rationalist. And the issue of there being no compulsion is irrelevant when it comes to actual theists peddling their horseshit; I can't respect a deist who is really doing nothing but lending passive support to the whole insane notion. No one who's practicing deism is doing it 'right', in that sense, at least when it comes to the secular humanist perspective.