RE: The First Century Void
June 27, 2017 at 8:31 am
(This post was last modified: June 27, 2017 at 8:34 am by RoadRunner79.)
(June 26, 2017 at 11:52 am)Fake Messiah Wrote: Yes, like one Jesus freak writer, Origen in 2nd century, who actually complained in his treatise "Contra Celsum" that there is no historical mentioning of Jesus "is one of the most difficult undertakings that can be attempted, and is in some instances an impossibility"
chapter 42 http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/04161.htm
So TF would have been his ace in the hole and yet he has never heard of TF although he knows works of Josephus very well.
Where do you see that in chapter 42? It seems a stretch, to connect your quote cited, with the unquoted part. Where is he complaining that there is no historical mention of Jesus?
Seems to me, that moreso, he is complaining about the difficulty of debating history with the selective hyperskeptic, and those who throw the baby out with the bath water. Apt for the discussion, but not for the reasons you imply.
(June 26, 2017 at 3:30 pm)Minimalist Wrote: They have to. It is a corner they have painted themselves into.
Without the TF the earliest mention of this jesus character does not show up in the record until c 180.
They can't face the reality of that so they have to try to do CPR of the mummy that is the TF!
For those who are interested....
http://coldcasechristianity.com/2014/is-...the-bible/
(June 26, 2017 at 1:13 pm)Tizheruk Wrote: Are Christians still trying to argue the forgery of Josephus isn't a forgery . Wow just wow .
Actually the scholarly debate is still quite active as to the extent of the interpolation.
I've asked others, but do you care to provide evidence that all versions are a complete forgery! That there is no core nuclei that was original as many scholars believe.
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