RE: The First Century Void
June 27, 2017 at 11:28 pm
(This post was last modified: June 27, 2017 at 11:33 pm by RoadRunner79.)
(June 27, 2017 at 3:54 pm)Secular Elf Wrote:(June 22, 2017 at 12:21 pm)Minimalist Wrote: It's all well and good to assert that there are 7 authentic pauline epistles except we know they have been tampered with.
http://vridar.org/2017/05/26/why-many-in...ry-likely/
But, perhaps even worse....
https://www.umass.edu/wsp/alpha/texts/pa...tions.html
This notes the detected interpolations but the old adage "when one lie is detected a thousand must be suspected" comes into play.
Where does the "authentic" part come in?
One of the more interesting aspects of New Testament literature, is that not all of the supposed authors of these books were actually written by the men who were said to author them. When scholars apply the principles of textual criticism and redaction, comparisons of lines within and between texts, etc. etc., there are doubts and even certainties that books like First Epistle of Peter (1 Peter) were not actually written by Peter the Apostle. To quote from the Wikipedia article on First Epistle of Peter, it says that " Many scholars are convinced that Peter was not the author of this letter because the author had to have a formal education in rhetoric/philosophy and an advanced knowledge of the Greek language."
This is especially true of writings alleged to be written by Paul. Out of all the writings attributed to Paul, some are judged to not actually been written by him.
It has been my understanding that has this has been under contention for quite some time. 1st and 2nd Peter where two of the books that where debated when the canon was formed....and part of that debate, was that they where not written by Peter.
(June 27, 2017 at 11:28 pm)Minimalist Wrote:Quote: and even then, it's still quite difficult to make a case from silence.
No it isn't. Not in this case because we haven't decided that we NEED the TF to be TRUE so you can pump some air into your deflated historical godboy.
I agree that there is no convincing you because you do not want to be convinced and if fucking jesus came down here, smacked you in the mouth, and said "it's not real, asshole" you still wouldn't buy it. This is your problem. Not ours.
No jesus freak writer before Eusebius ever heard of it. Yet, when Eusebius announced it ( TA-DAH! LOOKY HERE!!!) it was in all its glory not any watered down version which still would have solved Origen's problem better than what he was forced to do in the absence of the TF. That's okay, RR. You are very limited by your book. Perhaps you should put it down and read something else?
It's your claim.... why shift the burden onto me.... and by that same reasoning, the mythicist position is silent until about the 18th century.....
The conspiracy theory that you are proposing, is that Eusebius need a source that he didn't have, so he forged one into Josephus, cited it, and then no one noticed (or was silent concerning it) and he somehow got rid of all other copies. My tin foil hat is currently in the wash... but you will need to make a better case, to convince me of this tale.
It is said that an argument is what convinces reasonable men and a proof is what it takes to convince even an unreasonable man. - Alexander Vilenkin
If I am shown my error, I will be the first to throw my books into the fire. - Martin Luther
If I am shown my error, I will be the first to throw my books into the fire. - Martin Luther