Do you think religion is holding society back?

[Astonished]

You're right he did put in many years of hard work and study, that came from what God gave him.

His mommy and daddy gave him the good genes too, or did god pull another fast one on some poor schmuck?

God being the creator would know better than anyone else what's going on in the universe, leading Newton in the right direction would have been no problem for Him.

You know, I'd think so too..except...genesis.  

No much of the science we accept doesn't come from the Bible, what doesn't agree with the Bible is what we have a problem with. 

That's not how science works.  

You know that's not what I meant, we were talking about comfort not healing. As for the surgeons, knowing how Christians pray they asked God for His help in guiding them and for His comforts upon the patient, they would ask for healing of the patient if it's in His will. Christians learn from scripture to pray in and for God's will, somethings can't be changed (God's ultimate will) and then somethings can be changed because they are not within that ultimate will.

Uh, yeah..I -do- know that's not what you meant.  I also know that it takes a grade f bullshitter to make the statement that lead to this series of wheedling retractions.  Jesusism has jack shit to do with -anyones- rep in providing medicine....and you know that too. 

That would be me! Genesis is literal as much of the Bible is, it however is neither a history book nor a science text.

Yeah, it would be you...wouldn't it.   OFC it's not a history book or a science text - but if it were literal and even remotely accurate..it would be.

I'm still waiting to hear how something intended to be taken literally is not supposed to have any relevance whatsoever to history or science. That's a paradox. If it's literal, it's a factual claim being made, and those don't exist in a vacuum, those have ramifications. Unless you're admitting it's a book of fiction in which case why give it the time of day?