Hey EvF,
Good to hear back from you. I have a little time before work here.
I have 'personal' reasons for believing in an 'objective' thing, i guess because of the duality of god. I call my reasons for god personal, because they are my own. Kind of like the part of god that is my attempt to see her. But god is (to me) objective, everyone else can have their own 'personal' interpretations of her and reasons for her. That includes believing there is no god, which was the joke about god creating a world in which she can cease to exist. It is not a jab at the 'absentee landlord' theory of god, but that it is a great example of free will to be able to not believe in god (when she is undeniable to myself).
I hope I can explain better for you. Not to teach you, just to show what I think. I think god exits for the same reasons I am assuming you think he does not. It is the only option that makes sense to me. I know you can't argue with that very much, and that bugs Kyu. But I don't want to make it more valid than that. I believe what I believe. You all believe what you do. We shan't try to convince one another to change.
I believe there is intent here because of the complexity and scale of life. I don't know how evolution can make such a distinct world. I don't know what could have made evolution (as a process). I see that I am (in one sense) a tiny cell of the living organism that is the closed system of earth. That system of everything may have a kind of 'soul' or 'life' and I want to be humble, thankful and in awe of such a thing. God is because (to me) that makes the most sense. The world just looks designed. But also (more duality) I choose to believe, and what to see of her, because I think it s healthy to be humble. If you could choose between angry and scared, or eternally thankful and impressed, what would you choose?
I don't know if you understood the 'top-down' reason. I know it is word play, but the best example is a riddle. I don't postulate god, then look at the world and see what I see. I try to look at the world as objectively as possible, and then god becomes the reason for it all. Hard to explain. It is the difference between 'god is the reason' and 'the reason is god'. That didn't get it either...
Now I have to leave. God did not in any way make or try to make a 'perfect' world. It is not her agenda. The world is an interesting place, and yes a terrible place in one sense. We can talk more of that later. The problems of the world are not gods fault to me. Not at all.
Really gotta go now or I' gonna be late. Appreciate it and thanks. Take care.
-Pip
Good to hear back from you. I have a little time before work here.
I have 'personal' reasons for believing in an 'objective' thing, i guess because of the duality of god. I call my reasons for god personal, because they are my own. Kind of like the part of god that is my attempt to see her. But god is (to me) objective, everyone else can have their own 'personal' interpretations of her and reasons for her. That includes believing there is no god, which was the joke about god creating a world in which she can cease to exist. It is not a jab at the 'absentee landlord' theory of god, but that it is a great example of free will to be able to not believe in god (when she is undeniable to myself).
I hope I can explain better for you. Not to teach you, just to show what I think. I think god exits for the same reasons I am assuming you think he does not. It is the only option that makes sense to me. I know you can't argue with that very much, and that bugs Kyu. But I don't want to make it more valid than that. I believe what I believe. You all believe what you do. We shan't try to convince one another to change.
I believe there is intent here because of the complexity and scale of life. I don't know how evolution can make such a distinct world. I don't know what could have made evolution (as a process). I see that I am (in one sense) a tiny cell of the living organism that is the closed system of earth. That system of everything may have a kind of 'soul' or 'life' and I want to be humble, thankful and in awe of such a thing. God is because (to me) that makes the most sense. The world just looks designed. But also (more duality) I choose to believe, and what to see of her, because I think it s healthy to be humble. If you could choose between angry and scared, or eternally thankful and impressed, what would you choose?
I don't know if you understood the 'top-down' reason. I know it is word play, but the best example is a riddle. I don't postulate god, then look at the world and see what I see. I try to look at the world as objectively as possible, and then god becomes the reason for it all. Hard to explain. It is the difference between 'god is the reason' and 'the reason is god'. That didn't get it either...
Now I have to leave. God did not in any way make or try to make a 'perfect' world. It is not her agenda. The world is an interesting place, and yes a terrible place in one sense. We can talk more of that later. The problems of the world are not gods fault to me. Not at all.
Really gotta go now or I' gonna be late. Appreciate it and thanks. Take care.
-Pip
