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What a day at work. Ouch. I dislike being the one that is the 'go-between' helping everyone communicate and problem solve effectively... But that is no matter here.
EvF, you have been so polite, and asking very honest questions with a clear attempt only to understand me. I feel badly that I am not doing a very good job making it all make sense to you. Everything I do is kind of off the top of my head.
The two gods should be much more separated I suppose. The objective one seems to be the one I am not explaining well enough. You seem to understand how I admit to creating an image of god (god-doll?) and relating to it for improved quality of life. That is not objective, and my reasons for her are personal in the sense that they would not at all mean anything to you. But you ask repeatedly a similar question.
May be a problem is that I use discrediting language on myself so often. I will slip in (with brackets) the little voice that says 'I think' or 'I might be wrong' and 'only to me'. That is because i am trying to be honest, as I have done most of my life. I believe in the objectivity of god (there are only objects and subjects, if humans are to be a subject and not merely an object than something else needs to be the object). Where did that one come from? Weird. I say it is a personal belief from years of conditioning. As much as I guess most of you have been treated poorly because of your beliefs, I attend that I am treated very poorly for mine as well. I just don't live in the bible belt anymore. Very secular here. I think it is absolute, but I'm not gonna try to make others think that if they don't want to.
I don't think god is 'perfect', I am not sure anything is. That would break the law of things always trying to either balance or dominate, but never actually doing so and stopping. Everything is shades of grey of (at least) 2 other things. Duality. One of the aforementioned repeating patterns. Oh yeah, I found out that there is also a repeating pattern of repeating patterns. Another part of the design that makes me smile.
This world is perfect. It just depends on what perfection really is. I could go on and on and on about why the world is 'fucked'. I don't think we should, it is saddening. But the world wasn't made as a pleasure cruise. What do you think this is supposed to be? Life? All the bad in the world is just one player in what we call "The eternal battle between Good and Evil". We should not be bad, and fight against badness. But don't hope for the elimination of 'bad'. This isn't a war we can win, it is two things in constant attempt to balance or dominate one another that don't ever achieve such a state. The world is perfect in a bottom up way. May be that is a good example. The world isn't perfect when you use your imagination to consider what could be better. But it is perfect when judged against the reality of itself. It can be anything, it may as well be perfect. That's the choice. I realized along the path that I can make most anything 'true'. I can lie and manipulate and argue any point, opposing points even. So if I can make 'god' make sense and 'not-god' as well, which should I choose? I think the one that leads me to be happier, healthier and a much better world citizen (not better than you or anything, better than I was before).
I should stop writing, it is more of a rant than I intended. Thank you kindly for being patient with me, and I hope this helps some. It will likely just cause a thousand more relevant questions...
"They call me the working man, I guess that's what I am",
-Pip
What a day at work. Ouch. I dislike being the one that is the 'go-between' helping everyone communicate and problem solve effectively... But that is no matter here.
EvF, you have been so polite, and asking very honest questions with a clear attempt only to understand me. I feel badly that I am not doing a very good job making it all make sense to you. Everything I do is kind of off the top of my head.
The two gods should be much more separated I suppose. The objective one seems to be the one I am not explaining well enough. You seem to understand how I admit to creating an image of god (god-doll?) and relating to it for improved quality of life. That is not objective, and my reasons for her are personal in the sense that they would not at all mean anything to you. But you ask repeatedly a similar question.
Quote:Once again, I am having trouble understanding how you can justify having entirely personal reasons to believe in something objective, something, objectively existing..?I apologize for making you ask more than once, and it is a valid query. I believe in the objective god (the one I don't know much about). I believe in it (them) because I have been shown (have learned) enough about the world to see the patterns repeat far too much to have any randomness, anything but (duh-duh-duh) intelligent design. I have learned about the scales of dimension, micro and nanoscopics. I understand that our reality/universe can exist on more than one level of scale (dimension?) at the same time. The dimensions (scales?) cannot really sense or know each other, but they are absolutely the SAME thing at the SAME time. I ask 'Why?' (like a philosopher) about the hypothetical reasons behind being alive, living in this situation. I know most on this site would instantly say 'There is no why', or simply 'why not?'. But 'why not' is still a 'why'. The same as disbelief is still a way of believing. And all that I have seen and learned is unexplainable as a random outcome. Far, far too engineered.
May be a problem is that I use discrediting language on myself so often. I will slip in (with brackets) the little voice that says 'I think' or 'I might be wrong' and 'only to me'. That is because i am trying to be honest, as I have done most of my life. I believe in the objectivity of god (there are only objects and subjects, if humans are to be a subject and not merely an object than something else needs to be the object). Where did that one come from? Weird. I say it is a personal belief from years of conditioning. As much as I guess most of you have been treated poorly because of your beliefs, I attend that I am treated very poorly for mine as well. I just don't live in the bible belt anymore. Very secular here. I think it is absolute, but I'm not gonna try to make others think that if they don't want to.
I don't think god is 'perfect', I am not sure anything is. That would break the law of things always trying to either balance or dominate, but never actually doing so and stopping. Everything is shades of grey of (at least) 2 other things. Duality. One of the aforementioned repeating patterns. Oh yeah, I found out that there is also a repeating pattern of repeating patterns. Another part of the design that makes me smile.
This world is perfect. It just depends on what perfection really is. I could go on and on and on about why the world is 'fucked'. I don't think we should, it is saddening. But the world wasn't made as a pleasure cruise. What do you think this is supposed to be? Life? All the bad in the world is just one player in what we call "The eternal battle between Good and Evil". We should not be bad, and fight against badness. But don't hope for the elimination of 'bad'. This isn't a war we can win, it is two things in constant attempt to balance or dominate one another that don't ever achieve such a state. The world is perfect in a bottom up way. May be that is a good example. The world isn't perfect when you use your imagination to consider what could be better. But it is perfect when judged against the reality of itself. It can be anything, it may as well be perfect. That's the choice. I realized along the path that I can make most anything 'true'. I can lie and manipulate and argue any point, opposing points even. So if I can make 'god' make sense and 'not-god' as well, which should I choose? I think the one that leads me to be happier, healthier and a much better world citizen (not better than you or anything, better than I was before).
I should stop writing, it is more of a rant than I intended. Thank you kindly for being patient with me, and I hope this helps some. It will likely just cause a thousand more relevant questions...
"They call me the working man, I guess that's what I am",
-Pip
