(July 25, 2017 at 8:42 pm)Dropship Wrote:(July 25, 2017 at 2:46 pm)drfuzzy Wrote: He's IRRELEVANT. He's dead. He may have existed, he doesn't exist any more.
Basically JC wants to save our souls when our bodies die.
He said he came to save the world, but that only applies to people who WANT to be saved..
(July 25, 2017 at 3:04 pm)Cecelia Wrote: Well Jesus straight up murders a tree for not bearing fruit in a season that it doesn't bear fruit.
Then you have the fact he tells his followers to hate their families. That doesn't seem very nice. He wanted to divide families. He also insisted people worship him and love him more than anything else. (So much for humble). He was also a big fan of his genocidal father (which was also him...) Oh yeah, and he and his dad (himself) plan to torture people for eternity. Also he approved of slavery. And nothing recorded about him advancing the rights of... well anyone. Despite him apparently being in a position to do so.
1- JC was half-human, and his human side made him badmouth the fig tree.
2- If parents try to stop their kids becoming christians, he was telling kids to ignore them and do their own thing.
3- Jesus said he wants PALS, not fawning 'worshippers'.
"You're my friends if you follow me. I don't call you servants, but I call you friends"- (John 15:15)
4- He made it clear he wasn't God-
"I am going to the Father, for my Father is greater than I" (John 14:28 )
5- He invited everybody to Paradise when they die, the invite is on the table-
"The kingdom of heaven is like a king who prepared a wedding banquet for his son...he told his servants- go out and invite to the banquet anyone you find" (Matt 22:2)"
6- He never said a word about slavery.
PS- your sig is- "The whole tone of Church teaching in regard to woman is, to the last degree, contemptuous and degrading. - Elizabeth Cady Stanton"
Which religion are you talking about, surely not Christianity?-
Check it-
"There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus" (Galatians 3:28 )
Church of England women clergy-
(July 25, 2017 at 6:19 pm)vorlon13 Wrote: It's another frustrating instance of the religious folks not being even minimally pious and displaying appropriate fealty to their own claimed deity and then coming here in a state of apostasy and preaching to the atheists.
Why can't we ever get a True Christian here witnessing The Word ??
I post enough heresy and blasphemy here, we don't need self described Christians coming here with their slacker scripture cherry picking take on God's Inerrant Truth.
You talking to me mate? I don't think I've ever claimed to be a christian have I? I simply started this thread to find out if I'm nuts for liking Jesus...
As for getting a 'True Christian' in here to witness the word, what exactly is a "True Christian"?
And why do you think you need one? You can simply pick up a slimline gospel for a few pennies from any bookshop..
Fuck, you're irksome. He's saving us from HIMSELF, which is no different than him tying us up, threatening to torture us, and then expecting a thank-you and kiss on his feet after he unties us and lets us walk out the door. FUCK THAT GUY and fuck you for thinking he's anything less than a psychotic sadist. If you bother looking at the story objectively, he intentionally (and by he, I mean the version of him that didn't even bother pretending not to be an asshole) created us incapable of living up to his standard and condemned us for it, so this 'salvation' of his is devoid of any meaning to anyone but himself and is nothing but an engine of slavery. Every one of your points you make via those passages can be refuted by other passages in the same damn book, so you can't say that him coming up with good ideas means anything when he (or the other 'protagonists') contradict one another! You literally do nothing but waste your breath quoting passages and ignoring the ones that cancel them out (but then I'm not one to talk, wasting my breath on your empty-headed ass) like a dishonest prick or an ignorant jackass.
Whether you believe in the guy is immaterial, if you're a fan of his, you're being extremely foolhardy with this hero-worship crap. That's not the way to go about things. You know why they say never meet your heroes, or, ha, what am I saying, of course you don't, but the reason for that is even someone as allegedly squeaky-clean as Jeebus has a massive dark side. Your choosing to ignore that just furthers the problem and we have proof here that it's affected your cognition negatively (or at least has failed to help it improve.) Divorce your feelings for this figure you're better off without, critically examine the content of what he said (by that I mean, plagiarized) in those writings and take what makes sense, then discard what doesn't, acknowledge that the idiot wasn't remotely as perfect as he's made out to be and should be left to history as a forgotten waste of space, and let your mind recover from this self-imposed suffocation with an an actual independent thought-filled future. And guess what? The fact that I'm saying this, out of the billions of others who could say the same thing, doesn't matter worth a shit. The fact that I'm right is what matters, and whoever else might say it, would be right. Try thinking of things in those terms. Start small. Baby steps.
Religions were invented to impress and dupe illiterate, superstitious stone-age peasants. So in this modern, enlightened age of information, what's your excuse? Or are you saying with all your advantages, you were still tricked as easily as those early humans?
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There is no better way to convey the least amount of information in the greatest amount of words than to try explaining your religious views.
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There is no better way to convey the least amount of information in the greatest amount of words than to try explaining your religious views.