(August 22, 2017 at 10:15 pm)Khemikal Wrote:(August 22, 2017 at 7:57 pm)shadow Wrote: You know, I don't really think you're understanding my argument. But appreciate that you took the time to discuss this with me, so thanks.
By the way, I'm not trying to say 'liberals hold contradictory positions' at all. I don't mean for this to be a political thing, it's more of an academic thing.
:checks OP title, again:
Maybe I'm misunderstanding your tone, but you seemed (earlier atleast) to be acting as though I am some sort of ideological warrior trying to hate on the left. I know you get those kind of people coming to this forum all the time. I'm not one of them in the slightest; I just want to reconsider my viewpoints. I realized the title of this might have given you the wrong impression, so I was clarifying my intentions.
Quote:I do understand your argument. I really do. I think that you don't, which is what I've been trying to emphasize. Let me try to bring you round another way. If we lived in a world in which there were no gender constructs, would it even make semantic (set aside the rational, for now) sense, to state that people had or ought to have "the right to live as whatever gender they identify as"?
No. So if you believe that there are no gender constructs, why would you encourage people to take one? The reason that comes to mind, like you've said, is that society is pressuring people to do so. So I understand why someone would want to (like the example of a trangender person emphasizing characteristics of the gender they want to be so people treat the that way). But if you believe that there are no gender constructs, it requires a certain contradiction of one's own principles to then assume one, even if it's convenient.
