Niqab and Muslim Women

[Brian37]

Little lunch

I've travelled through Indonesia and Malaysia, a lot.
I always found it disgusting to see a woman wearing the black niqab in 40 degree heat, trailing ten paces behind her pig of a husband who is wearing shorts, shirt and sandals.
They have to hold it open and slurp food from underneath whilst eating.
Head scarfs I have no problem with unless it's enforced by the husband or family.
I'd like to see niqabs banned but the main problem is that many women would never be able to leave the house again.
Sorry AtlasS33, but it's just another reason why the Muslim religion is worse than almost all other religions.

Seeing the wife wearing that gives the husband a sense of control, thinking about it it's the same feeling of FGM; that the wife is a "harem" owned by the husband.
Yes, disgusting isn't even enough to describe when you see that Muslim men have no limitation on what to wear.

It's not Islam, little lunch. But it's Sunni/Shiite way.

Brian37

Religiously justified gender clothing is not an invention of Islam. Christianity even today has its bullshit sexist clothing certain families and sects in Africa, South America and even in far right America force on their girls/women too. I would only say that the Burka worldwide out of all sexist clothing has to be the most oppressive to females.

Men of all the world's religions simply need to grow the fuck up and understand the bullshit sexism of antiquity does not apply in the modern world.

As an aside Atlas, do you really think you will magically get smote'd, smite'd or an underwear wedgie if you don't end your god talk with "peace be upon him"?

I promise nothing bad will happen to you if you don't say that. It is just a superstition, just like nothing bad will happen to a Star Wars fan if they don't say, "May the force be with you."


This message brought to you by ABBA, "peace be upon Agnetha". Agnetha is the blond on the right in my avatar. She was a goddess back in the 1970s. Hubba hubba.

Virtue was advocated by the Abrahamic religions for both men and women. Across history, the covering for women appeared:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarcophagu...a_Tlesnasa

The reason given for this  in the Quran:

Sura 33, The Quran:
( 58 )   And those who harm believing men and believing women for [something] other than what they have earned have certainly born upon themselves a slander and manifest sin.

( 59 )   O Prophet, tell your wives and your daughters and the women of the believers to bring down over themselves [part] of their outer garments. That is more suitable that they will be known and not be harmed. And ever is Allah Forgiving and Merciful.

Not be harmed is the reason.
And "telling" is the only way to advice a woman to wear this; here you can see why I hate Sunni/Shiite Islam: "tell" which shows clearly in the verse got avoided, and many Muslims abused women and locked them in cages.

"Tell" became "enforce".

Not to mention that a woman can walk out of this deal anytime she wants:

Sura 2, The Quran:
( 256 )   There shall be no compulsion in [acceptance of] the religion. The right course has become clear from the wrong. So whoever disbelieves in Taghut and believes in Allah has grasped the most trustworthy handhold with no break in it. And Allah is Hearing and Knowing.

For PBUH, honoring Mohammed's name is demanded in the Quran. That's why I say it.
Respect is different than admiration!

I had a dream the other night where I was shagging the blond out of ABBA. Don't know his name.

Moral: the e is important for avoiding misunderstandings.

Brian37 Wrote:

The blond guy is Bjorn, the blond lady is Agnetha. But I am sure this was sarcasm on your part smarty pants. So here is a picture for some clarification. This is not Bjorn. 

The 70s was a weird era ! males and females had the same hair styles and material. So he might've got confused

Catholic_Lady

It makes me cringe to see a woman covering herself from head to toe like that, as though she were nothing but a walking sexual temptation. There is no greater objectification than that. Its sickening.

Women are more attractive than men. Checking women out and lusting on their beauty became a norm across cultures for men, and the goal of the look is mostly sexual (not always; but mostly).

But giving women a choice to either veil the sexy parts, or expose them is something I find good. There are shy girls who aren't even Muslim, but prefer to cover up many parts. But what makes me cringe too is the enforcing of this. Especially in the way Little_Lunch have said. It's so disgusting to see the husband in the front, and the wife in a Niqab left behind to walk like a sexual property.

I believe the veiling should be similar to what nuns wear
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None of what you just argued changes a thing I said.

"Islam this"

"The Koran says"

Yea, so what? You are not doing anything differently that a Christian does in pointing to the bible. You are not doing anything differently that a Jew does in pointing to the OT and Torah and Talmud. You are not doing anything differently than when Hindus point to the Bhaghavad Gita or Vedas. You are not doing anything differently than when Buddhist point to Buddha. 

I think it is fantastic that you reject the violent extremists that use the same Koran you do. But it is still the same Koran. Just like the bible that Martin Luther King used is the same bible that the KKK and Neo Nazis use. 

And all of these religions also forget, there was no written religion 200,000 years ago, much less any nations in any case.

How about you consider that your sense of compassion and empathy is not being handed to you from above nor does it come out of an old book. Maybe the reason you are non violent is because of your own evolutionary empathy. 

Maybe the reason Stalin was an atheist and a monster, and I am an atheist but not a monster, es because of our own individual personalities? I am capable of the same non violence and empathy for others you are, I simply don't assign it to your religion in the same way you don't assign your goodness to the Bible or Vedas or Buddha.

Islam did not invent violence no, but they also don't own a patent on goodness either. You as an individual matter to me, not the book you point to. If you are a good person, I value you, but I don't have to agree with you as to where your morality is coming from.

Please don't start sounding romantic like Mystic did. I find you far more reasonable and far less dreamy eyed. Think for yourself, don't let an old book do the thinking for you.

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And again Atlass, I include all three books of Abrham when I say this. When they say "don't harm" females, the are not talking about empathy as in equality. Men in all three back then were considered the rulers and their children property, especially females. The "don't harm females" back then was equal to saying "don't damage your neighbors ox cart". Females back then were never seen as equals but property, a resource, not equal to men.