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What is the controversy surrounding #takeaknee
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RE: What is the controversy surrounding #takeaknee
(September 27, 2017 at 3:47 pm)mh.brewer Wrote:
(September 27, 2017 at 3:34 pm)wallym Wrote: Are you concerned I'm fabricating random Colin Kaepernick quotes

You don't see any "america is shit to black people."?  So when he says America oppresses black people, and there are bodies on the street and people getting away with murder, you think paraphrasing that as "America is shit to black people" is a stretch.  Oppression and unpunished murder don't rise to your standard of 'shit'?

The fuck america was mine.  But that's because I think if he said "Fuck America" he'd still be justified, let alone his much more reserved "I'm not going to stand up and show pride in a flag or america" that people are trying to walk back and play apologists over.

Why shouldn't it be about the flag or america?  The flag represents this country.  America is the country in which these things are happening.  I can't follow why people are resisting this idea.

bold mine

Nope, just to stupid to provide a link and to engage in a rational discussion. And you must be very fragile to let your emotions cloud critical thought so much. There, there (pats on head). 

I'll say it again, he picked that time (singing of the anthem) to get his protest noticed. It initially had nothing to do with the flag or anthem. A valid protest as far as I'm concerned.

It's odd that you are choosing your explanation of Colin Kaepernick's motivations over Colin Kaepernick's explanation, right?  He very clearly stated why he was doing it and how it's related to the flag, and you're saying that Colin Kaepernick is mistaken about why Colin Kaepernick wasn't standing.

And why wouldn't it be valid?  

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000...nal-anthem

"I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses black people and people of color," Kaepernick told NFL Media in an exclusive interview after the game. "To me, this is bigger than football and it would be selfish on my part to look the other way. There are bodies in the street and people getting paid leave and getting away with murder."

http://www.nfl.com/videos/san-francisco-...nal-anthem

"When the flag represents what it's supposed to represent, I'll stand."
"I decided I can't stand for what this represents right now."
"This is about the way people have been treated by this country."

He linked the two by saying how police are government appointed officials.  

Really impressive stuff in my opinion.  So many progressives take easy stances that cost them nothing.  He really put it out there.  But now instead of defending his valid protest of the flag and America, for some reason I still can't understand, people who should be supporting him are still denying he was protesting the flag at all.

The bolded are all direct quotes from Kaepernick.  Not some article's summary or some 3rd party's hot take or explanation.  The second set are from a live video interview I linked for your viewing pleasure.  There is no ambiguity.  There doesn't need to be.  He is 100% in the right in what he did.  There should be no question of the validity.
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RE: What is the controversy surrounding #takeaknee - by Silver - September 27, 2017 at 8:32 am
RE: What is the controversy surrounding #takeaknee - by henryp - September 27, 2017 at 9:44 am
RE: What is the controversy surrounding #takeaknee - by henryp - September 27, 2017 at 11:05 am
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RE: What is the controversy surrounding #takeaknee - by Silver - September 28, 2017 at 4:11 pm
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RE: What is the controversy surrounding #takeaknee - by Silver - September 29, 2017 at 2:10 pm
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