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What is the controversy surrounding #takeaknee
RE: What is the controversy surrounding #takeaknee
(September 29, 2017 at 8:52 am)alpha male Wrote:
(September 29, 2017 at 8:29 am)Brian37 Wrote: Do your own homework. I am not your baby sitter.

I have. I even gave a link to make it easy for people to do their own. It was a rhetorical question, designed to show that you don't really know what the statistics show.

In 2017, in cases where race is given, blacks are 27% of those killed by cops, while making up 13% of the general population. So, yes, blacks are disproportionately killed by police.

As noted previously, 95% of those killed are men. No one's arguing that cops are unduly biased against men. Most people conclude from this statistic that men are more dangerous than women and so killed at a higher rate.

Blacks, at 13% of the population, commit about half of all murders. You can draw your own conclusions.

(September 29, 2017 at 8:40 am)TheBeardedDude Wrote: I am concerned about anyone being killed.

Were there threads here outraged at the NFL's decision on the Dallas stickers?

Quote:I can be concerned about both cops and the victims of police brutality and abuse simultaneously. And I can also respect the wishes of a team to decide how to respond to specific instances, be that to allow a form of display/support or not. This isn't a zero-sum game with respect to my empathetic abilities. 

I agree...but I'm painted as an extreme racist for disagreeing with the methodology of this protest.

Quote:Do you not care about the lives of those being taken by police (and that they are overwhelmingly dark skinned)?

I'll do it for him if he'll actually read it:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/natio...story.html

http://www.snopes.com/do-police-kill-mor...ck-people/

I linked to the database some time ago. Blacks are killed disproportionately. I don't find it overwhelming. I find the percentage of males to be overwhelming - but understandable.

"Were there threads here outraged at the NFL's decision on the Dallas stickers?"

Don't know, don't care. The NFL has a variety of policies regarding uniform and attire. The attire of the players on the field (including the presence or absence of stickers) is by a wide margin the least important thing in this discussion.

"I agree...but I'm painted as an extreme racist for disagreeing with the methodology of this protest."

Because no one gives a shit that you don't like the protest. That isn't the point. The point is the meaning behind the protest. You can cry foul all you like, but you have to accept that the consequences of your whining is judgement.

"I linked to the database some time ago. Blacks are killed disproportionately. I don't find it overwhelming. I find the percentage of males to be overwhelming - but understandable."

Many of us would look at the rate of black men being killed (2.5x as likely based on the number of black people killed relative to the total population of black people in the US), and agree that it is overwhelming. What would be an "overwhelming" rate to you? How high does that need to be for you to care?
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RE: What is the controversy surrounding #takeaknee - by Silver - September 27, 2017 at 8:32 am
RE: What is the controversy surrounding #takeaknee - by henryp - September 27, 2017 at 9:44 am
RE: What is the controversy surrounding #takeaknee - by henryp - September 27, 2017 at 11:05 am
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RE: What is the controversy surrounding #takeaknee - by Silver - September 28, 2017 at 4:11 pm
RE: What is the controversy surrounding #takeaknee - by KevinM1 - September 28, 2017 at 4:14 pm
RE: What is the controversy surrounding #takeaknee - by Silver - September 29, 2017 at 2:10 pm
RE: What is the controversy surrounding #takeaknee - by Brian37 - September 27, 2017 at 11:13 am
RE: What is the controversy surrounding #takeaknee - by brewer - September 27, 2017 at 12:23 pm
RE: What is the controversy surrounding #takeaknee - by henryp - September 27, 2017 at 12:41 pm
RE: What is the controversy surrounding #takeaknee - by Silver - September 27, 2017 at 1:12 pm
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