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God and the dilemma with unfalsifiability
RE: God and the dilemma with unfalsifiability
(September 29, 2017 at 1:56 am)Mathilda Wrote:
(September 28, 2017 at 4:20 pm)Godscreated Wrote: God is spirit, what that actually is could only be a guess, I do know it means He doesn't have a physical body, being spirit allows Him to be everywhere in all times at all times  and contain powers we can not fathom.

So your god is an energy source? Can we harvest it to power our homes? What other example is there for a complex pattern of energy to persist without the use of matter? None. Therefore special pleading. Or you are saying that your god is neither energy nor matter? In which case how does your god interact with the world without energy? And again it's special pleading because you would be making up a entirely new form of ... 'stuff' that has never once been observed and has no plausible way of existing.

In a way He is. No we can't power our homes by it and you know good and well that question is stupid to say the least. I can tell you He can power your life if you will let Him. There is no special pleading when it come to the unexplainable God. Just because you can't wrap your mind around who and what God is doesn't discount that He exists in a form unknown to man, your mind like mine is finite, very finite and that leaves much to be discovered.

(September 28, 2017 at 4:20 pm)Godscreated Wrote:  He calls Himself Father because He created us and cares for us in many ways we never see, just like our earthly fathers do or at least the ones who love their children do.

 You probably have a feminist agenda against God referring to himself as male

 
Mathilda Wrote:Right so your god isn't actually male you are just imagining it as such. Your justification for calling your god as male can just as much be used to referring to it as female. It's not like your god has a penis, or reproductive organs to use with other goddesses, or has expressed any form of gender identity in your holy babblings.

God refers to himself as male and I accept that to be so, who am I to argue with the One who created me. You on the other hand would argue with a stump if you thought it would make you happy. There are no goddesses and God doesn't need such, He can do what pleases Him through His omnipotence. He made Adam from the substances of the earth and then placed his created self/soul into Adam's constructed body, this is what is meant as the breath of life. Adam's body would have just laid there if God hadn't given him his created soul.

Mathilda Wrote:And if your god is too complex for you to fully understand as a human, because be honest here, how could you fully understand something that is omniscient, omnipresent, omnipotent as a mere animal? Then referring to it as male is just a useful handle on the concept. So why not pick a female handle if it's just as valid and some people would prefer it?

You are correct it is impossible to understand God fully and only an idiot would say so. By the way I'm a human being that God created, if you want to be some low level animal go right ahead, for me I enjoy being one of God's most special creations. God refers to himself as Father, why you have a problem with that is beyond me. The only people who would prefer God to be thought of as a woman are those who do not even believe in Him, no if that doesn't border on crazy I do not know what does.

(September 28, 2017 at 4:20 pm)Godscreated Wrote:  Because I have experienced God outside the Bible in my everyday life with Him. God through His grace has given me the knowledge of His existence, that's how relationships work when you want them to be good and lasting.
 
Mathilda Wrote:Yet you have no way of determining whether you actually experienced your god or you imagined it. Hence the reason that you claim that you need faith first, because otherwise the 'evidence' outside the bible won't come. It is indistinguishable from a confidence trick.

 Oh yes I know the difference and you would too if you ever experienced Him. The reason faith comes first is simply because we are asked to believe in an unseen God, just as Jesus said blessed are those who believe in Me without seeing Me, blessed I am. You can't get past ownership of something you in actuality do not own, once you over come that you might see things differently.

GC

(September 30, 2017 at 12:31 am)Astreja Wrote:
(September 29, 2017 at 11:38 pm)Godscreated Wrote: You continue to show your childish ways, if being a feminist is your choice so be it, but you should understand if you want to be treated as men treat each other you're going to have to suck it up and take the heat. There's no room in this kind of attitude for the weak and there's nothing but equal treatment and men can be unkind to each other. Equal status receives equal treatment. Not threatening you just saying that's the world of men.
I've worked in male-dominated fields for years, and I've had traditionally male hobbies since I was a child.  I was a senior IT technician at a university and taught courses in hardware and software.  I've always been the primary breadwinner for my family (and cheerfully rid myself of a lazy, unfaithful and abusive spouse).  I've done plumbing, roofing, framing carpentry, electrical work and electronics, concrete, ceramics, paint, wallpaper and plaster.  I also cook, sew, knit, crochet, maintain a garden, and brew my own mead.

I've paid off not one but two mortgages on two different houses.  I manage my own investments.  I can look at financial statements and explain them to you in plain English.  I do my own taxes.  I've administered a couple of estates.  I've been elected to boards of directors in community organizations.

I've studied 6 languages formally and can recognize bits and pieces of 20 more, including Latin, Hebrew and Greek.  I once won a regional math competition, and my SATs were in the high 700s.  I can sight-read music for multiple instruments.  I write, paint, sculpt, and do interior design.  I've shot a gun, shot a bow, wielded a fencing foil and a handful of Oriental weapons, and attained various ranks in several martial arts.  When I was in my 30s I could bench my own weight.  I'm still very much a novice at astronomy, but filling in the gaps in my knowledge very fast.

(Oh, yes -- I've given birth, too.  My daughter is an adult, also has a positive net worth and no debts, and is self-employed.)

I am your worst fucking nightmare -- a woman so dedicated to knowledge and so determined to acquire it that she will take the time to learn a new skill just for the sheer fun of it, and then turn that skill against you and smile quietly as she walks away.

 Congratulation to both of you and I'm sincere about this, you've accomplished so much, more than I have. But being my worst nightmare is an illusion, I also have many skills but the greatest is knowing I can trust in God. None of your skills frighten me, why should they I admire them in a woman or a man, I'm not going to toot my own horn and list the things I can do just know they are more than a few.

GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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God and the dilemma with unfalsifiability - by ignoramus - August 25, 2017 at 8:46 am
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