Evidence for Jesus outside the Bible?

[Shell B]

Jesus Christ what's wrong with you lot????

Hannah, it does you no good to meet every bit of opposition with incredulity at the alleged stupidity or wrongness of the members of this forum. When you enter into a debate, you should always be prepared meet opposing opinions.

I never preached about some Christians being more real than others in a derogatory way.

It doesn't need to be derogatory. This is a common complaint of mine. According to the Bible, god judges who the Christians are. No person on Earth is capable of sorting out "true Christians" from "fake Christians" according the criteria for Christianity set forth in the Bible. Therefore, you cannot say one way or the other who is Christian and who is not. You have to take their word for it, unless met with irrefutable evidence that they are lying.

The point I was making was that Christians were executed if they did not deny their faith and that faithful/real/genuine/believing Christians would choose death rather than deny their faith. Why do you have a problem with that? What part of that statement is either wrong or insensitive?

The problem is that your claim insinuates that no "true Christian" would choose life and deny their faith. I have no idea if "true Christians" have even renounced their faith in the face of death, but I find it far more believable than assuming the millions of Christians on Earth would die if forced to renounce their faith. Your argument would have more steam if you said "some" true Christians, but you assert that "all" true Christians are that way. I wonder how much of your faith you have let go of in the course of becoming an atheist. (See how I assume you are atheist because you claim to be.)