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What is the controversy surrounding #takeaknee
RE: What is the controversy surrounding #takeaknee
(October 4, 2017 at 11:44 am)alpha male Wrote:
(October 4, 2017 at 10:36 am)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: But just so you don't feel all hurt and stuff, I'll take a few minutes. The fact is, the definition you provided fits the bill precisely: "burdened with unjust restraints" ... that is the black experience in America. The one that you say doesn't exist. You know, how blacks can get jobs just the same as whites, or how blacks have no problem finding housing without discrimination rearing its ugly head,

As you note yourself, these are discrimination, not oppression.

Quote:or how blacks receive harsher criminal sentences -- a fact the federal government itself admits.

The study doesn't claim that racism is the cause of disparity:

Quote:We find it difficult to attribute racial disparity to skin color alone. While it is an obvious
distinction, in the United States race is bundled with a large number of unobserved characteristics. We
have observed that blacks are more concentrated within circuits that impose harsh sentences compared
with more lenient circuits. It is possible that blacks receive the same sentences as whites within every
circuit, but that blacks receive harsher sentences than whites nationally. After we account for these
circuit differences, racial disparity remains, but the point is that race is correlated with other
characteristics that may account for different sentences among whites and blacks. For example, we
know that blacks sentenced in the federal justice system are, on average, less educated than are whites
sentenced in the federal justice system. Therefore, if judges take education into account (along with
correlates such as earnings and demeanor), then racial disparity could be explained by factors that
might be deemed to be reasonable desiderata when imposing sentences. A study of disparity is not a
study of bias. Our study cannot get at the ultimate reasons why black males receive harsher sentences
than do white males, after accounting for the facts surrounding the case.

Quote:But before you do that, make sure you read the links I've given. I'm not really interested in having discussions with the uninformed.

You don't seem to have read the last one yourself.

Quote:Oh, hey, since we're talking about race and wealth, I'll just leave this here:

And the reason for this is?

Quote:Read Guns, Germs, and Steel. Diamond's hypothesis makes a lot of sense to me, without appealing to racism.

Or you could summarize, rather than expecting me to read an entire book.  Rolleyes

Yeah, heaven forbid you should learn something! Or, maybe you could, you know, read the Wiki article on it? Do you really need me to hold your hand through this process? Seriously, dude. Read a fucking book. It won't kill you.

As for racism not being the cause of sentencing disparities, you should remember what i wrote upthread -- a complex problem is most likely multivariate. Furthermore, the authors did indeed note that racism is one of those factors.

Regarding "discrimination" vs "oppression", reread the definition you yourself provided. Oppression need not be violent.

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RE: What is the controversy surrounding #takeaknee - by Silver - September 27, 2017 at 8:32 am
RE: What is the controversy surrounding #takeaknee - by henryp - September 27, 2017 at 9:44 am
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RE: What is the controversy surrounding #takeaknee - by Silver - September 28, 2017 at 4:11 pm
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RE: What is the controversy surrounding #takeaknee - by Silver - September 29, 2017 at 2:10 pm
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