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Is religion cause of most wars?
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RE: Is religion cause of most wars?
Catholic_Lady Wrote:
Mister Agenda Wrote:They were militant communists.

You have more in common with Osama bin Laden because you're a Christian than I have in common with Stalin because I'm an atheist.

Yes, they were militant communists as well. But they were also militant atheists who tried to eradicate religion and tried to make their country atheist.

As for your second comment there, it's infuriating, insulting, completely false, and not even worth a response.

You're not required to engage, nor are you required to announce you won't engage. I'll just take this as an invitation to elaborate on my point.

You can't be militant about atheism or theism. You are misattributing what it is that the persons you are considering are being militant about, and what makes someone militant. I know 'militant atheist' is a popular expression, but people are militant about a cause, and neither atheism nor theism are causes. The are opinions about whether God is real.

Now, presumably, Stalin did not believe in God. Neither do I. Without going into our mutual bipedalism, that is what we have in common. He was a communist, I'm closer to 'progressive libertarian'. He was a totalitarian, I'm a humanist. He believed in the dialectic of history, I'm more into rational skepticism. When it comes to positions, atheism is about all we've got in common. Because atheism doesn't have anything that follows from it. Neither does theism. You can be an atheist and be a communist or Republican or choir director. You can be a theist and be a communist or Republican or choir director, too.

But look at what you have in common with Osama bin Laden because you're a Catholic: You both believe in a creator God who revealed himself (and it's definitely a 'him') in the Middle East, a Jesus (or Yeshua or Isa) who was born of a virgin and performed miracles and was sentenced by the Romans to be crucified and will return on Judgment Day. These are orthodox Muslim beliefs shared by Christians. You and bin Laden believe in an afterlife with eternal paradise and eternal torment options. The list of similarities between Muslim and Christian belief is pretty extensive, because Islam has Christian roots.

Now, you have no more in common with Osama bin Laden because you're a theist than I do with Stalin because I'm an atheist. But as a Christian you have many fundamental beliefs similar to bin Laden's. This is simply factual.

If you find it offensive, I'd avoid bringing up Stalin in regard to atheism, because it is simply hypocritical to then get offended (and infuriated and insulted) if I bring up Osama bin Laden in regard to Christianity, when Islam and Christianity are kissing cousins. If you ever want to compare totalitarian communism with Christianity ( or humanism), that would be apples to apples. Communism to atheism (or theism) is apples to oranges.
I'm not anti-Christian. I'm anti-stupid.
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Is religion cause of most wars? - by MitjaHD - October 4, 2017 at 12:45 pm
RE: Is religion cause of most wars? - by The Grand Nudger - October 4, 2017 at 12:47 pm
RE: Is religion cause of most wars? - by brewer - October 4, 2017 at 1:16 pm
RE: Is religion cause of most wars? - by Catholic_Lady - October 4, 2017 at 1:26 pm
RE: Is religion cause of most wars? - by Chad32 - October 4, 2017 at 1:31 pm
RE: Is religion cause of most wars? - by Catholic_Lady - October 4, 2017 at 1:42 pm
RE: Is religion cause of most wars? - by Jackalope - October 4, 2017 at 1:49 pm
RE: Is religion cause of most wars? - by Catholic_Lady - October 4, 2017 at 1:57 pm
RE: Is religion cause of most wars? - by Jackalope - October 4, 2017 at 2:02 pm
RE: Is religion cause of most wars? - by Catholic_Lady - October 4, 2017 at 2:06 pm
RE: Is religion cause of most wars? - by Jackalope - October 4, 2017 at 2:14 pm
RE: Is religion cause of most wars? - by Catholic_Lady - October 4, 2017 at 2:22 pm
RE: Is religion cause of most wars? - by Jackalope - October 4, 2017 at 2:37 pm
RE: Is religion cause of most wars? - by Catholic_Lady - October 4, 2017 at 3:26 pm
RE: Is religion cause of most wars? - by Mister Agenda - October 4, 2017 at 5:38 pm
RE: Is religion cause of most wars? - by Catholic_Lady - October 4, 2017 at 5:41 pm
RE: Is religion cause of most wars? - by Mister Agenda - October 4, 2017 at 5:42 pm
RE: Is religion cause of most wars? - by Catholic_Lady - October 4, 2017 at 5:45 pm
RE: Is religion cause of most wars? - by Mister Agenda - October 4, 2017 at 5:48 pm
RE: Is religion cause of most wars? - by downbeatplumb - October 4, 2017 at 1:47 pm
RE: Is religion cause of most wars? - by The Grand Nudger - October 4, 2017 at 1:52 pm
RE: Is religion cause of most wars? - by Minimalist - October 4, 2017 at 2:03 pm
RE: Is religion cause of most wars? - by The Grand Nudger - October 4, 2017 at 2:19 pm
RE: Is religion cause of most wars? - by Catholic_Lady - October 4, 2017 at 3:06 pm
RE: Is religion cause of most wars? - by Minimalist - October 4, 2017 at 3:17 pm
RE: Is religion cause of most wars? - by Minimalist - October 4, 2017 at 3:29 pm
RE: Is religion cause of most wars? - by vorlon13 - October 4, 2017 at 5:17 pm
RE: Is religion cause of most wars? - by The Grand Nudger - October 4, 2017 at 3:32 pm
RE: Is religion cause of most wars? - by Minimalist - October 4, 2017 at 5:24 pm
RE: Is religion cause of most wars? - by Catholic_Lady - October 4, 2017 at 5:26 pm
RE: Is religion cause of most wars? - by Minimalist - October 4, 2017 at 5:29 pm
RE: Is religion cause of most wars? - by vorlon13 - October 4, 2017 at 5:46 pm
RE: Is religion cause of most wars? - by Catholic_Lady - October 4, 2017 at 5:55 pm
RE: Is religion cause of most wars? - by Mister Agenda - October 4, 2017 at 5:57 pm
RE: Is religion cause of most wars? - by Catholic_Lady - October 4, 2017 at 6:02 pm
RE: Is religion cause of most wars? - by Silver - October 4, 2017 at 6:04 pm
RE: Is religion cause of most wars? - by Catholic_Lady - October 4, 2017 at 6:09 pm
RE: Is religion cause of most wars? - by Silver - October 4, 2017 at 6:12 pm
RE: Is religion cause of most wars? - by Catholic_Lady - October 4, 2017 at 6:15 pm
RE: Is religion cause of most wars? - by Silver - October 4, 2017 at 6:17 pm
RE: Is religion cause of most wars? - by Mister Agenda - October 4, 2017 at 6:23 pm
RE: Is religion cause of most wars? - by Succubus - October 4, 2017 at 8:08 pm
RE: Is religion cause of most wars? - by The Grand Nudger - October 4, 2017 at 5:58 pm
RE: Is religion cause of most wars? - by The Grand Nudger - October 4, 2017 at 6:13 pm
RE: Is religion cause of most wars? - by paulpablo - October 4, 2017 at 6:27 pm
RE: Is religion cause of most wars? - by Silver - October 4, 2017 at 6:30 pm
RE: Is religion cause of most wars? - by paulpablo - October 4, 2017 at 7:22 pm
RE: Is religion cause of most wars? - by Silver - October 4, 2017 at 7:23 pm
RE: Is religion cause of most wars? - by paulpablo - October 4, 2017 at 7:29 pm
RE: Is religion cause of most wars? - by Minimalist - October 4, 2017 at 6:49 pm
RE: Is religion cause of most wars? - by Catholic_Lady - October 4, 2017 at 6:55 pm
RE: Is religion cause of most wars? - by Astonished - October 4, 2017 at 10:38 pm
RE: Is religion cause of most wars? - by Minimalist - October 4, 2017 at 11:34 pm
RE: Is religion cause of most wars? - by Mister Agenda - October 5, 2017 at 7:23 am
RE: Is religion cause of most wars? - by Fake Messiah - October 5, 2017 at 9:26 am
RE: Is religion cause of most wars? - by Astonished - October 6, 2017 at 2:16 pm
RE: Is religion cause of most wars? - by Fake Messiah - October 7, 2017 at 6:15 am
RE: Is religion cause of most wars? - by Edwardo Piet - October 7, 2017 at 8:25 am

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