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The Quran, the truth as I see it.
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RE: The Quran, the truth as I see it.
(August 6, 2017 at 1:09 pm)Khemikal Wrote: Unless your mommy and daddy wrote the quran, it had nothing to do with whomever created your consciousness Atlas. 

Economic disaster and wars aren't caused by people failing to read your bedtime stories....take a look at the world around you....it seems to be that a significant number of people believing in that bedtime story correlates strongly with dirt poor, war torn shitholes.  At some point, a person might wonder whether or not all of their problems are really someone elses fault, or the fault of people not "doing islam right"...and start to suspect that doing islam right causes a culture to become the engine of it's own destruction.

A good approach at life will produce good result, and here is where you get the negative consequences of a wrong versions of Islam: they contain horrible assets that pretty much allow you -or allow others- ruin the day.

So you build a huge wonderful structure. And evil idiot comes with the worst doctrine ever, that justifies every wrong action they do, to ruin the day for you. An example is the Jihadi mentality springing from Sunni Wahhabi faiths, that caused misery and death to Millions of Muslim civilians.

Maybe following what the book actually says; will save the lives of so many? Personally; I believe in that.

(August 6, 2017 at 1:27 pm)Dropship Wrote: To my muslim friends I say this-
Mohammed is a corpse in a box, but Jesus is not.
Spot the difference?..Wink

Muslims don't use boxes in burials.

(August 6, 2017 at 2:05 pm)chimp3 Wrote: The Koran may be the last revelation of the war god of Abraham but I don't see why I should be impressed. What purpose would such a tyrant serve for me? When the followers of Allah live in peace with each other and bring some dignity to the world stage perhaps I will reconsider.

A "war God" won't say:

Quote:Sura 6, The Quran:
(152) And do not approach the property of the orphan except in the best manner until he attains the age of full strength. Give full measure and full weight with justice. We do not burden any soul beyond its scope. When you speak, then say with justice though it be a relative. Fulfill the Covenant of Allah. This He has enjoined you with that you may deliberate. 

More accurate: he is "the creator of everything"; from mercy to war. To each its conditions; to each its times where it is valid and fair.

(October 8, 2017 at 5:44 pm)Alisa Wrote: Just wow.. Your god is a dick if he is unable to help his creation to understand his "divine" message. So, we have wars and economical problems because we are unable to understand his clear message? 🤔😂

He does help us; but we are not puppets, we hold our own destiny in our hands:

Quote:Sura 17, The Quran:
(13) And every man: We have fastened his action round his neck, and We shall bring forth unto him on the Day of Judgment a book proffered him open.

Quote:Sura 7, The Quran:
(185) Have they not contemplated the dominions of the heavens and the earth, and whatever (1Allah has created, and that maybe their time has already drawn near? So what discourse will they believe after this?!


It's not God's fault that some humans prefer to ignore these things. Many people after all, chose to observe these signs and speculate about them. Some even predicted alien life out there; some others invented "Arguments from Design". God didn't just help people; he created a whole universe for us to learn from.

MinimalistAlmost always you'll find that it is our fault that we can't understand the holy horseshitter in the sky.

That fantasy seems to help believers sleep at night.

But he says:

Quote:Sura 16, The Quran:
(93) And had Allah willed, He would have made you all one community, but he sendeth astray whomsoever He willeth, and guideth whomsoever He willeth; and surely ye shall be questioned regarding that which ye have been working.

But still; he's not playing games with us. Actually; there dangerous steps that the person must commit to deserve being sent astray; like this:

Quote:Sura 7, The Quran:
(146) I will turn away from My Verses those who are unjustly proud in the earth. If they see every verse they will not believe in it. If they see the way of Rushd (immaterial maturity) they do not take it for a way, and if they see the way of Gayy (way of Hell), they take it for a way. This is because they belied our Verses and were heedless of them.

False pride is an example of why God might send somebody astray. Eventually; it's the person's choice; just like Adam and Eve and Satan.

(October 8, 2017 at 6:38 pm)SaStrike Wrote: You were taught this by regular people like your parents or imams, don't deny this, since god doesn't do teachings himself. As a child it is easy to get wrapped up in fantasy. Your imagination has been nurturing these imaginary thought patterns while growing up. You are unable of critical thinking at this point. I suggest start by keeping an open mind, trust your logic and doubt, do not fear the made up hell and eternity of suffering that you were tricked into believing just to nip your logic and doubt in the bud.

Imams? no no; I got no "Imams" or teachers. My Imam diead 1400 years ago.

I began approaching religion after having a self-hating complex that most Arab Muslims have; the type of complex where you get embarrassed because your religion is full of weird stuff. I was an average Sunni boy.

Then, I began investigating the Quran. And discovered that the written Islamic folklore is full of crap. Lots and lots of crap. Crap that is so many, that you find crap between the crap.

The Quran was different. It was something like I never seen.

So I prayed to God; got myself an Arabiic/Arabic dictionary, and began to read. I thank God for what he gave me.

But I grew up in Wahhabi schools, that's how I know how to read the Quran probably, and took many Sunni Islamic subjects in school.

I just think that if people found the messages I found; life will blossom to the best.

Lots of blood was spilled because of the Sunni/Shiite religions; add to them most other doctrines. Ever nationalism and communism caused world wars.
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Messages In This Thread
The Quran, the truth as I see it. - by WinterHold - August 6, 2017 at 11:46 am
RE: The Quran, the truth as I see it. - by Minimalist - August 6, 2017 at 11:54 am
RE: The Quran, the truth as I see it. - by WinterHold - October 10, 2017 at 2:37 am
RE: The Quran, the truth as I see it. - by Dropship - August 6, 2017 at 1:27 pm
RE: The Quran, the truth as I see it. - by Minimalist - August 6, 2017 at 1:52 pm
RE: The Quran, the truth as I see it. - by chimp3 - August 6, 2017 at 2:05 pm
RE: The Quran, the truth as I see it. - by Alisa - October 8, 2017 at 5:44 pm
RE: The Quran, the truth as I see it. - by Minimalist - October 8, 2017 at 6:29 pm
RE: The Quran, the truth as I see it. - by SaStrike - October 8, 2017 at 6:38 pm
RE: The Quran, the truth as I see it. - by bennyboy - October 8, 2017 at 6:45 pm
RE: The Quran, the truth as I see it. - by Minimalist - October 8, 2017 at 6:55 pm
RE: The Quran, the truth as I see it. - by The Grand Nudger - October 10, 2017 at 7:07 am
RE: The Quran, the truth as I see it. - by Brian37 - October 10, 2017 at 7:59 am

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