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Thoughts on Hell?
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RE: Thoughts on Hell?
October 11, 2017 at 11:15 am (This post was last modified: October 11, 2017 at 11:16 am by Chad32.)
Somehow sinning against an eternal god makes eternal punishment just. I have no idea why the age of the judge would factor into the judgement. Can you imagine someone passing a law that says no one is allowed out of prison within the lifetime of the judge who passed their sentence?
Poe's Law: "Without a winking smiley or other blatant display of humor, it is impossible to create a parody of Fundamentalism that SOMEONE won't mistake for the real thing."

10 Christ-like figures that predate Jesus. Link shortened to Chris ate Jesus for some reason...
http://listverse.com/2009/04/13/10-chris...ate-jesus/

Good video to watch, if you want to know how common the Jesus story really is.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88GTUXvp-50

A list of biblical contradictions from the infallible word of Yahweh.
http://infidels.org/library/modern/jim_m...tions.html

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Thoughts on Hell? - by SisterAgatha - October 11, 2017 at 9:13 am
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by The Grand Nudger - October 11, 2017 at 9:23 am
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Neo-Scholastic - October 11, 2017 at 9:36 am
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Angrboda - October 11, 2017 at 9:40 am
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by brewer - October 11, 2017 at 9:40 am
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by LadyForCamus - October 11, 2017 at 12:18 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Brian37 - October 11, 2017 at 9:41 am
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - October 11, 2017 at 9:54 am
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - October 11, 2017 at 12:31 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Mr.Obvious - October 11, 2017 at 10:01 am
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Godscreated - October 13, 2017 at 3:40 am
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by The Industrial Atheist - October 13, 2017 at 4:28 am
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Godscreated - October 13, 2017 at 10:40 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Thumpalumpacus - October 14, 2017 at 12:08 am
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by The Industrial Atheist - October 15, 2017 at 12:38 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Godscreated - October 17, 2017 at 4:41 am
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by pocaracas - October 17, 2017 at 5:03 am
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Godscreated - October 18, 2017 at 3:40 am
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by I_am_not_mafia - October 18, 2017 at 4:53 am
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by pocaracas - October 18, 2017 at 5:27 am
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Astreja - October 18, 2017 at 11:15 am
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Silver - October 17, 2017 at 11:01 am
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Astreja - October 17, 2017 at 11:16 am
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by LastPoet - October 17, 2017 at 1:27 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by downbeatplumb - October 17, 2017 at 1:18 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Godscreated - October 18, 2017 at 3:54 am
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Joods - October 18, 2017 at 4:53 am
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Cyberman - October 18, 2017 at 8:00 am
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Joods - October 18, 2017 at 9:51 am
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by I_am_not_mafia - October 18, 2017 at 4:56 am
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Mister Agenda - October 18, 2017 at 12:56 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Mr.Obvious - October 13, 2017 at 4:41 am
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Godscreated - October 13, 2017 at 11:01 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Silver - October 13, 2017 at 11:03 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Mr.Obvious - October 14, 2017 at 2:38 am
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Astreja - October 13, 2017 at 8:57 am
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Godscreated - October 13, 2017 at 11:08 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Astreja - October 13, 2017 at 11:56 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by downbeatplumb - October 14, 2017 at 7:33 am
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Harry Nevis - October 18, 2017 at 3:07 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by downbeatplumb - October 11, 2017 at 10:03 am
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by vorlon13 - October 11, 2017 at 10:07 am
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Chad32 - October 11, 2017 at 10:10 am
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Homeless Nutter - October 11, 2017 at 10:14 am
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Mr.Obvious - October 11, 2017 at 10:25 am
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Little Rik - October 11, 2017 at 10:39 am
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Brian37 - October 11, 2017 at 11:01 am
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Little Rik - October 11, 2017 at 11:14 am
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Brian37 - October 11, 2017 at 1:32 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Little Rik - October 12, 2017 at 11:12 am
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Brian37 - October 12, 2017 at 11:50 am
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Chad32 - October 11, 2017 at 11:09 am
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by LadyForCamus - October 11, 2017 at 12:59 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Little lunch - October 11, 2017 at 10:54 am
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by The Industrial Atheist - October 11, 2017 at 11:13 am
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Chad32 - October 11, 2017 at 11:15 am
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Astreja - October 11, 2017 at 11:21 am
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Brian37 - October 11, 2017 at 11:28 am
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Chad32 - October 11, 2017 at 12:09 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Whateverist - October 11, 2017 at 12:22 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by LadyForCamus - October 11, 2017 at 12:25 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by pocaracas - October 11, 2017 at 12:34 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Whateverist - October 11, 2017 at 12:43 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Nay_Sayer - October 11, 2017 at 12:38 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by SisterAgatha - October 11, 2017 at 12:46 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Whateverist - October 11, 2017 at 1:15 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by brewer - October 11, 2017 at 9:44 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by The Grand Nudger - October 11, 2017 at 12:48 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by LadyForCamus - October 11, 2017 at 12:48 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Mr.Obvious - October 11, 2017 at 12:59 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by SisterAgatha - October 11, 2017 at 12:58 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Mr.Obvious - October 11, 2017 at 1:01 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by pocaracas - October 11, 2017 at 1:38 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Succubus - October 11, 2017 at 9:22 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by LadyForCamus - October 11, 2017 at 9:54 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by The Grand Nudger - October 11, 2017 at 1:00 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by SisterAgatha - October 11, 2017 at 1:02 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Whateverist - October 11, 2017 at 1:19 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by LadyForCamus - October 11, 2017 at 1:04 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by WinterHold - October 11, 2017 at 1:12 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by The Grand Nudger - October 11, 2017 at 1:13 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Chad32 - October 11, 2017 at 1:18 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Astreja - October 11, 2017 at 1:28 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by LastPoet - October 11, 2017 at 1:38 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by LadyForCamus - October 11, 2017 at 1:49 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by KevinM1 - October 11, 2017 at 5:30 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by The Grand Nudger - October 12, 2017 at 11:31 am
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Minimalist - October 12, 2017 at 11:35 am
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by I_am_not_mafia - October 12, 2017 at 11:53 am
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by KevinM1 - October 12, 2017 at 12:17 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Cyberman - October 12, 2017 at 8:38 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Minimalist - October 12, 2017 at 12:12 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Cyberman - October 12, 2017 at 8:40 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Whateverist - October 12, 2017 at 9:16 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Joods - October 12, 2017 at 8:44 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Thumpalumpacus - October 12, 2017 at 9:15 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Huggy Bear - October 13, 2017 at 9:01 am
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Brian37 - October 13, 2017 at 9:59 am
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Thumpalumpacus - October 13, 2017 at 10:28 am
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Huggy Bear - October 13, 2017 at 12:50 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Thumpalumpacus - October 13, 2017 at 1:14 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Huggy Bear - October 13, 2017 at 1:54 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Thumpalumpacus - October 13, 2017 at 3:15 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Huggy Bear - October 13, 2017 at 3:42 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Thumpalumpacus - October 13, 2017 at 9:21 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Thumpalumpacus - October 19, 2017 at 4:49 am
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Huggy Bear - October 19, 2017 at 11:47 am
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Thumpalumpacus - October 19, 2017 at 1:19 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Harry Nevis - October 18, 2017 at 3:12 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Huggy Bear - October 19, 2017 at 12:30 am
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Harry Nevis - October 19, 2017 at 7:40 am
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by The Valkyrie - October 12, 2017 at 9:34 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Cyberman - October 12, 2017 at 11:57 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Silver - October 12, 2017 at 9:36 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by downbeatplumb - October 13, 2017 at 5:31 am
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by I_am_not_mafia - October 13, 2017 at 10:34 am
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Brian37 - October 13, 2017 at 11:00 am
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by JackRussell - October 13, 2017 at 11:04 am
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Astreja - October 13, 2017 at 11:09 am
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by The Grand Nudger - October 13, 2017 at 11:45 am
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by The Grand Nudger - October 13, 2017 at 12:53 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by KevinM1 - October 13, 2017 at 3:05 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Huggy Bear - October 13, 2017 at 3:57 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by The Grand Nudger - October 13, 2017 at 3:55 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Huggy Bear - October 13, 2017 at 4:12 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by KevinM1 - October 13, 2017 at 6:14 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Edwardo Piet - October 13, 2017 at 6:45 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by The Grand Nudger - October 13, 2017 at 4:00 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by KevinM1 - October 13, 2017 at 4:10 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by The Grand Nudger - October 13, 2017 at 4:34 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Huggy Bear - October 13, 2017 at 4:53 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by pocaracas - October 13, 2017 at 5:04 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Edwardo Piet - October 13, 2017 at 5:06 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by The Grand Nudger - October 13, 2017 at 5:37 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Cyberman - October 13, 2017 at 5:57 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Huggy Bear - October 13, 2017 at 8:53 pm
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RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Cyberman - October 13, 2017 at 8:58 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Huggy Bear - October 13, 2017 at 9:33 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Chad32 - October 13, 2017 at 9:36 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by vorlon13 - October 13, 2017 at 9:50 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Edwardo Piet - October 13, 2017 at 10:53 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Cyberman - October 13, 2017 at 9:35 pm
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RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Crossless2.0 - October 13, 2017 at 9:54 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Huggy Bear - October 13, 2017 at 10:09 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Crossless2.0 - October 13, 2017 at 11:59 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Astreja - October 14, 2017 at 12:13 am
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Crossless2.0 - October 14, 2017 at 12:24 am
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Chad32 - October 13, 2017 at 10:25 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Cyberman - October 13, 2017 at 9:37 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Silver - October 13, 2017 at 9:39 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Cyberman - October 13, 2017 at 9:41 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Cyberman - October 13, 2017 at 9:48 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Huggy Bear - October 13, 2017 at 9:51 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Cyberman - October 13, 2017 at 10:07 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Huggy Bear - October 13, 2017 at 10:17 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Cyberman - October 13, 2017 at 10:13 pm
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RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Huggy Bear - October 13, 2017 at 10:22 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Cyberman - October 13, 2017 at 10:24 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by KevinM1 - October 13, 2017 at 10:27 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Cyberman - October 13, 2017 at 10:43 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Godscreated - October 13, 2017 at 11:04 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Amarok - October 13, 2017 at 10:43 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Cyberman - October 13, 2017 at 11:06 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Godscreated - October 13, 2017 at 11:10 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Silver - October 13, 2017 at 11:12 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Edwardo Piet - October 13, 2017 at 11:24 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by KevinM1 - October 14, 2017 at 12:00 am
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Edwardo Piet - October 14, 2017 at 12:02 am
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Godscreated - October 17, 2017 at 3:20 am
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by pocaracas - October 17, 2017 at 4:08 am
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by KevinM1 - October 17, 2017 at 10:43 am
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Crossless2.0 - October 17, 2017 at 10:56 am
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Mr.Obvious - October 17, 2017 at 7:10 pm
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RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Astreja - October 19, 2017 at 1:36 am
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Godscreated - October 20, 2017 at 2:18 am
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RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Astreja - October 20, 2017 at 11:12 am
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RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Astreja - October 21, 2017 at 8:55 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Crossless2.0 - October 21, 2017 at 9:07 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Godscreated - October 23, 2017 at 11:44 pm
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RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Cyberman - October 22, 2017 at 12:34 am
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Godscreated - October 23, 2017 at 10:20 pm
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RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Whateverist - October 23, 2017 at 10:52 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Godscreated - October 25, 2017 at 1:55 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Astreja - October 25, 2017 at 3:07 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Mister Agenda - October 25, 2017 at 4:28 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Astreja - October 25, 2017 at 6:55 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Godscreated - October 26, 2017 at 7:08 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Astreja - October 27, 2017 at 12:17 am
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Godscreated - October 28, 2017 at 12:19 am
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Astreja - October 28, 2017 at 12:53 am
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Godscreated - October 28, 2017 at 1:12 am
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Astreja - October 28, 2017 at 1:43 am
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Harry Nevis - October 27, 2017 at 7:56 am
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Whateverist - October 27, 2017 at 9:40 am
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Mister Agenda - October 27, 2017 at 10:33 am
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Astreja - October 27, 2017 at 3:25 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Harry Nevis - October 26, 2017 at 11:05 am
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by pocaracas - October 24, 2017 at 6:05 am
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Godscreated - October 25, 2017 at 2:50 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Cyberman - October 25, 2017 at 3:19 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by downbeatplumb - October 24, 2017 at 1:07 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Mister Agenda - October 19, 2017 at 11:20 am
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Cyberman - October 19, 2017 at 1:28 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Crossless2.0 - October 19, 2017 at 1:30 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Godscreated - October 20, 2017 at 3:18 am
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Mr.Obvious - October 23, 2017 at 8:58 am
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Godscreated - October 25, 2017 at 12:52 am
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Mr.Obvious - October 30, 2017 at 6:58 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Wyrd of Gawd - October 14, 2017 at 7:58 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Huggy Bear - October 15, 2017 at 2:12 am
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Edwardo Piet - October 13, 2017 at 11:08 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Cyberman - October 13, 2017 at 11:11 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Amarok - October 14, 2017 at 12:01 am
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Cyberman - October 14, 2017 at 12:13 am
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Amarok - October 14, 2017 at 12:10 am
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by The Grand Nudger - October 14, 2017 at 12:30 am
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by JackRussell - October 18, 2017 at 3:52 am
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Astreja - October 18, 2017 at 1:29 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Godscreated - October 19, 2017 at 1:18 am
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Wyrd of Gawd - October 19, 2017 at 1:25 am
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Godscreated - October 20, 2017 at 1:49 am
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Astreja - October 20, 2017 at 2:03 am
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Wyrd of Gawd - October 20, 2017 at 2:42 am
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Astreja - October 19, 2017 at 1:42 am
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by JackRussell - October 18, 2017 at 3:11 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Wyrd of Gawd - October 19, 2017 at 1:17 am
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Minimalist - October 19, 2017 at 1:37 am
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Mister Agenda - October 20, 2017 at 10:32 am
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by The Valkyrie - October 23, 2017 at 11:04 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by JackRussell - October 25, 2017 at 2:58 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Cyberman - October 25, 2017 at 3:16 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by JackRussell - October 25, 2017 at 3:28 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by JackRussell - October 27, 2017 at 3:46 pm

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