Thoughts on Hell?

[Mr.Obvious]

Well... The God-character can say a lot of things, but...

God isn't some character in a novel, He is real and He can only tell what is true.

Do you believe God is all-knowing and all-powerfull and created the universe/world we live in? If you don't , than this argument of mine can be discarded. But if you do, than everything we do and choose and everything being the way it is, is because he pre-chose what we would do and believe and choose.

God is omniscient, omnipotent and omnipresent, the last meaning God has saw what each of us choose to do with our lives, none of the three or a combination of them means He controls our eternal destination. If you believe what you posted above then you need to bring some proof of preordination, the Bible speaks of choice.

=> Me not believing in God would be what God created me to do.

How so, where's your proof God planned His creation to be one way only, the scriptures do not say that. Why would God who loves all mankind create some to go to hell, you make no sense whatsoever.

If God has an infinite ways of creating the world (all-powerful) and knows how every one of these he chooses to create would turn out (all-knowing) then by picking the one he creates actively predetermines my own choices. He could have created a universe in which everyone would come to believe in him. He then, hypothetically, chose not to do that but to create a universe in which you do believe in him and I don't. Likewise, your belief in him would be predetermined, even though you perhaps see it as your own choice. If there is an all-powerfull, all-knowing entity that sets up the system to it's own desires, it can hardly complain the components don't act in the way it wanted them to.

 This is a tired old argument that holds no water because it is completely flawed. God created the human race with choice, He wants us to come to Him in love. God is omniscient, omnipresent and omnipotent and being all these things and determining the total outcome of mankind then why would He even bother, it cost Him his Son through the suffering of all sin, God wouldn't have done this when all He had to do is destroy His creation. you make no sense in your argument and it has no bases at all.

GC

You are saying things that are inherently incombinable. And that's the entire point. It's like you are some character from 1984 trying to believe two opposite things at once. Or like you are saying something has all the proporties of a square and then say it's a circle because of all of those properties.
The bible can talk about free choice all it wants. You can claim it would be silly for him to bother with an experiment he would know the outcome for, but that is what omniscience entails.

It boils down to this:
1) Omniscience => Knowing how any one of an infinite ways to create his creation would turn out for every individual ever in it.
2) Omnipotence => Being able to choose any one of those infinite ways, including the best one in which everyone would come to him.
3) The act of creation => Actively chosing whatever would happen and be chosen within a creation he has total control over due to "1" & "2"

This is a square, kid. You want to explain to me where my reasoning is wrong and how it makes the circle of 'free choice'? Protip: you have to point out where its not logical, not where 'scripture says so'.


P.S. Don't twist the burden of proof. I don't need to prove God is a made-up character. If you claim he is real, you prove it.