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Thoughts on Hell?
RE: Thoughts on Hell?
(October 13, 2017 at 11:08 pm)Godscreated Wrote:
(October 13, 2017 at 8:57 am)Astreja Wrote: If worshipping the creator of hell is the only other choice, then my morality demands that I choose hell.

I don't think that either of those things are real, though, so I'm not worried about it.



You need to get out more, GC.  Christianity has always been about money and power.  Look around you.


*Was* one in Asgard. I was wondering about that extra-shiny thing in my bowl of semi-precious stones, and why there's suddenly a raccoon in the neighbourhood.   Big Grin

 I didn't even read your response, we've been through this enough and I'm tired of your willful spite on this subject.

GC

Is that directed at me?

Anywhoo I'm not spiteful, just pointing out that all the supernatural characters in theologies are mythical to me.
Talking about them as though they exist has the same impact as trying to convince me of how Harry Potter wore his briefs.
Its talking about fiction.

Until you can actually come up with something that has some substance that will continue to be my opinion.

Oh and I don't care, atheism is not a big part of my life. It just happens to be how it is.
The same way I live in England, its just one of those things.



You can fix ignorance, you can't fix stupid.

Tinkety Tonk and down with the Nazis.




 








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Thoughts on Hell? - by SisterAgatha - October 11, 2017 at 9:13 am
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by The Grand Nudger - October 11, 2017 at 9:23 am
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Neo-Scholastic - October 11, 2017 at 9:36 am
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Angrboda - October 11, 2017 at 9:40 am
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by brewer - October 11, 2017 at 9:40 am
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by LadyForCamus - October 11, 2017 at 12:18 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Brian37 - October 11, 2017 at 9:41 am
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - October 11, 2017 at 9:54 am
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - October 11, 2017 at 12:31 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Mr.Obvious - October 11, 2017 at 10:01 am
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Godscreated - October 13, 2017 at 3:40 am
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by The Industrial Atheist - October 13, 2017 at 4:28 am
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Godscreated - October 13, 2017 at 10:40 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Thumpalumpacus - October 14, 2017 at 12:08 am
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by The Industrial Atheist - October 15, 2017 at 12:38 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Godscreated - October 17, 2017 at 4:41 am
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by pocaracas - October 17, 2017 at 5:03 am
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Godscreated - October 18, 2017 at 3:40 am
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by I_am_not_mafia - October 18, 2017 at 4:53 am
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by pocaracas - October 18, 2017 at 5:27 am
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Astreja - October 18, 2017 at 11:15 am
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Foxaèr - October 17, 2017 at 11:01 am
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Astreja - October 17, 2017 at 11:16 am
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by LastPoet - October 17, 2017 at 1:27 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by downbeatplumb - October 17, 2017 at 1:18 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Godscreated - October 18, 2017 at 3:54 am
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Joods - October 18, 2017 at 4:53 am
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Cyberman - October 18, 2017 at 8:00 am
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Joods - October 18, 2017 at 9:51 am
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by I_am_not_mafia - October 18, 2017 at 4:56 am
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Mister Agenda - October 18, 2017 at 12:56 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Mr.Obvious - October 13, 2017 at 4:41 am
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Godscreated - October 13, 2017 at 11:01 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Foxaèr - October 13, 2017 at 11:03 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Mr.Obvious - October 14, 2017 at 2:38 am
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Astreja - October 13, 2017 at 8:57 am
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Godscreated - October 13, 2017 at 11:08 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Astreja - October 13, 2017 at 11:56 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by downbeatplumb - October 14, 2017 at 7:33 am
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Harry Nevis - October 18, 2017 at 3:07 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by downbeatplumb - October 11, 2017 at 10:03 am
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by vorlon13 - October 11, 2017 at 10:07 am
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Chad32 - October 11, 2017 at 10:10 am
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Homeless Nutter - October 11, 2017 at 10:14 am
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Mr.Obvious - October 11, 2017 at 10:25 am
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Little Rik - October 11, 2017 at 10:39 am
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Brian37 - October 11, 2017 at 11:01 am
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Little Rik - October 11, 2017 at 11:14 am
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Brian37 - October 11, 2017 at 1:32 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Little Rik - October 12, 2017 at 11:12 am
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Brian37 - October 12, 2017 at 11:50 am
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Chad32 - October 11, 2017 at 11:09 am
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by LadyForCamus - October 11, 2017 at 12:59 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Little lunch - October 11, 2017 at 10:54 am
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by The Industrial Atheist - October 11, 2017 at 11:13 am
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Chad32 - October 11, 2017 at 11:15 am
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Astreja - October 11, 2017 at 11:21 am
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Brian37 - October 11, 2017 at 11:28 am
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Chad32 - October 11, 2017 at 12:09 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Whateverist - October 11, 2017 at 12:22 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by LadyForCamus - October 11, 2017 at 12:25 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by pocaracas - October 11, 2017 at 12:34 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Whateverist - October 11, 2017 at 12:43 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Nay_Sayer - October 11, 2017 at 12:38 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by SisterAgatha - October 11, 2017 at 12:46 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Whateverist - October 11, 2017 at 1:15 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by brewer - October 11, 2017 at 9:44 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by The Grand Nudger - October 11, 2017 at 12:48 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by LadyForCamus - October 11, 2017 at 12:48 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Mr.Obvious - October 11, 2017 at 12:59 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by SisterAgatha - October 11, 2017 at 12:58 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Mr.Obvious - October 11, 2017 at 1:01 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by pocaracas - October 11, 2017 at 1:38 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Succubus - October 11, 2017 at 9:22 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by LadyForCamus - October 11, 2017 at 9:54 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by The Grand Nudger - October 11, 2017 at 1:00 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by SisterAgatha - October 11, 2017 at 1:02 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Whateverist - October 11, 2017 at 1:19 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by LadyForCamus - October 11, 2017 at 1:04 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by WinterHold - October 11, 2017 at 1:12 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by The Grand Nudger - October 11, 2017 at 1:13 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Chad32 - October 11, 2017 at 1:18 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Astreja - October 11, 2017 at 1:28 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by LastPoet - October 11, 2017 at 1:38 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by LadyForCamus - October 11, 2017 at 1:49 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by KevinM1 - October 11, 2017 at 5:30 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by The Grand Nudger - October 12, 2017 at 11:31 am
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Minimalist - October 12, 2017 at 11:35 am
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by I_am_not_mafia - October 12, 2017 at 11:53 am
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by KevinM1 - October 12, 2017 at 12:17 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Cyberman - October 12, 2017 at 8:38 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Minimalist - October 12, 2017 at 12:12 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Cyberman - October 12, 2017 at 8:40 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Whateverist - October 12, 2017 at 9:16 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Joods - October 12, 2017 at 8:44 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Thumpalumpacus - October 12, 2017 at 9:15 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Huggy Bear - October 13, 2017 at 9:01 am
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Brian37 - October 13, 2017 at 9:59 am
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Thumpalumpacus - October 13, 2017 at 10:28 am
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Huggy Bear - October 13, 2017 at 12:50 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Thumpalumpacus - October 13, 2017 at 1:14 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Huggy Bear - October 13, 2017 at 1:54 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Thumpalumpacus - October 13, 2017 at 3:15 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Huggy Bear - October 13, 2017 at 3:42 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Thumpalumpacus - October 13, 2017 at 9:21 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Thumpalumpacus - October 19, 2017 at 4:49 am
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Huggy Bear - October 19, 2017 at 11:47 am
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Thumpalumpacus - October 19, 2017 at 1:19 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Harry Nevis - October 18, 2017 at 3:12 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Huggy Bear - October 19, 2017 at 12:30 am
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Harry Nevis - October 19, 2017 at 7:40 am
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by The Valkyrie - October 12, 2017 at 9:34 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Cyberman - October 12, 2017 at 11:57 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Foxaèr - October 12, 2017 at 9:36 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by downbeatplumb - October 13, 2017 at 5:31 am
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by I_am_not_mafia - October 13, 2017 at 10:34 am
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Brian37 - October 13, 2017 at 11:00 am
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by JackRussell - October 13, 2017 at 11:04 am
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Astreja - October 13, 2017 at 11:09 am
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by The Grand Nudger - October 13, 2017 at 11:45 am
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by The Grand Nudger - October 13, 2017 at 12:53 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by KevinM1 - October 13, 2017 at 3:05 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Huggy Bear - October 13, 2017 at 3:57 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by The Grand Nudger - October 13, 2017 at 3:55 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Huggy Bear - October 13, 2017 at 4:12 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by KevinM1 - October 13, 2017 at 6:14 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Edwardo Piet - October 13, 2017 at 6:45 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by The Grand Nudger - October 13, 2017 at 4:00 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by KevinM1 - October 13, 2017 at 4:10 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by The Grand Nudger - October 13, 2017 at 4:34 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Huggy Bear - October 13, 2017 at 4:53 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by pocaracas - October 13, 2017 at 5:04 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Edwardo Piet - October 13, 2017 at 5:06 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by The Grand Nudger - October 13, 2017 at 5:37 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Cyberman - October 13, 2017 at 5:57 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Huggy Bear - October 13, 2017 at 8:53 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by chimp3 - October 13, 2017 at 9:01 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Crossless2.0 - October 13, 2017 at 9:23 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by c172 - October 13, 2017 at 5:50 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Cyberman - October 13, 2017 at 8:58 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Huggy Bear - October 13, 2017 at 9:33 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Chad32 - October 13, 2017 at 9:36 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by vorlon13 - October 13, 2017 at 9:50 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Edwardo Piet - October 13, 2017 at 10:53 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Cyberman - October 13, 2017 at 9:35 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Huggy Bear - October 13, 2017 at 9:45 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Crossless2.0 - October 13, 2017 at 9:54 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Huggy Bear - October 13, 2017 at 10:09 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Crossless2.0 - October 13, 2017 at 11:59 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Astreja - October 14, 2017 at 12:13 am
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Crossless2.0 - October 14, 2017 at 12:24 am
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Chad32 - October 13, 2017 at 10:25 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Cyberman - October 13, 2017 at 9:37 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Foxaèr - October 13, 2017 at 9:39 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Cyberman - October 13, 2017 at 9:41 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Cyberman - October 13, 2017 at 9:48 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Huggy Bear - October 13, 2017 at 9:51 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Cyberman - October 13, 2017 at 10:07 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Huggy Bear - October 13, 2017 at 10:17 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Cyberman - October 13, 2017 at 10:13 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Cyberman - October 13, 2017 at 10:20 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Huggy Bear - October 13, 2017 at 10:22 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Cyberman - October 13, 2017 at 10:24 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by KevinM1 - October 13, 2017 at 10:27 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Cyberman - October 13, 2017 at 10:43 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Godscreated - October 13, 2017 at 11:04 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Amarok - October 13, 2017 at 10:43 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Cyberman - October 13, 2017 at 11:06 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Godscreated - October 13, 2017 at 11:10 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Foxaèr - October 13, 2017 at 11:12 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Edwardo Piet - October 13, 2017 at 11:24 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by KevinM1 - October 14, 2017 at 12:00 am
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Edwardo Piet - October 14, 2017 at 12:02 am
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Godscreated - October 17, 2017 at 3:20 am
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by pocaracas - October 17, 2017 at 4:08 am
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by KevinM1 - October 17, 2017 at 10:43 am
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Crossless2.0 - October 17, 2017 at 10:56 am
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Mr.Obvious - October 17, 2017 at 7:10 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Godscreated - October 19, 2017 at 12:44 am
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Astreja - October 19, 2017 at 1:36 am
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Godscreated - October 20, 2017 at 2:18 am
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Thumpalumpacus - October 20, 2017 at 3:16 am
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Astreja - October 20, 2017 at 11:12 am
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Godscreated - October 21, 2017 at 3:41 am
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by pocaracas - October 21, 2017 at 7:23 am
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Astreja - October 21, 2017 at 8:26 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Crossless2.0 - October 21, 2017 at 8:50 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Astreja - October 21, 2017 at 8:55 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Crossless2.0 - October 21, 2017 at 9:07 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Godscreated - October 23, 2017 at 11:44 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Astreja - October 23, 2017 at 11:50 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Angrboda - October 24, 2017 at 7:16 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by mordant - October 25, 2017 at 2:43 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by downbeatplumb - October 21, 2017 at 5:24 am
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Cyberman - October 21, 2017 at 9:41 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Wyrd of Gawd - October 22, 2017 at 12:00 am
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Succubus - October 22, 2017 at 12:19 am
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Cyberman - October 22, 2017 at 12:34 am
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Godscreated - October 23, 2017 at 10:20 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Kernel Sohcahtoa - October 23, 2017 at 10:47 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Whateverist - October 23, 2017 at 10:52 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Godscreated - October 25, 2017 at 1:55 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Astreja - October 25, 2017 at 3:07 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Mister Agenda - October 25, 2017 at 4:28 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Astreja - October 25, 2017 at 6:55 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Godscreated - October 26, 2017 at 7:08 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Astreja - October 27, 2017 at 12:17 am
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Godscreated - October 28, 2017 at 12:19 am
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Astreja - October 28, 2017 at 12:53 am
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Godscreated - October 28, 2017 at 1:12 am
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Astreja - October 28, 2017 at 1:43 am
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Harry Nevis - October 27, 2017 at 7:56 am
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Whateverist - October 27, 2017 at 9:40 am
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Mister Agenda - October 27, 2017 at 10:33 am
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Astreja - October 27, 2017 at 3:25 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Harry Nevis - October 26, 2017 at 11:05 am
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by pocaracas - October 24, 2017 at 6:05 am
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Godscreated - October 25, 2017 at 2:50 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Cyberman - October 25, 2017 at 3:19 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by downbeatplumb - October 24, 2017 at 1:07 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Mister Agenda - October 19, 2017 at 11:20 am
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Cyberman - October 19, 2017 at 1:28 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Crossless2.0 - October 19, 2017 at 1:30 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Godscreated - October 20, 2017 at 3:18 am
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Mr.Obvious - October 23, 2017 at 8:58 am
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Godscreated - October 25, 2017 at 12:52 am
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Mr.Obvious - October 30, 2017 at 6:58 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Wyrd of Gawd - October 14, 2017 at 7:58 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Huggy Bear - October 15, 2017 at 2:12 am
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Edwardo Piet - October 13, 2017 at 11:08 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Cyberman - October 13, 2017 at 11:11 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Amarok - October 14, 2017 at 12:01 am
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Cyberman - October 14, 2017 at 12:13 am
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Amarok - October 14, 2017 at 12:10 am
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by The Grand Nudger - October 14, 2017 at 12:30 am
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by JackRussell - October 18, 2017 at 3:52 am
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Astreja - October 18, 2017 at 1:29 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Godscreated - October 19, 2017 at 1:18 am
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Wyrd of Gawd - October 19, 2017 at 1:25 am
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Godscreated - October 20, 2017 at 1:49 am
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Astreja - October 20, 2017 at 2:03 am
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Wyrd of Gawd - October 20, 2017 at 2:42 am
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Astreja - October 19, 2017 at 1:42 am
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by JackRussell - October 18, 2017 at 3:11 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Wyrd of Gawd - October 19, 2017 at 1:17 am
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Minimalist - October 19, 2017 at 1:37 am
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Mister Agenda - October 20, 2017 at 10:32 am
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by The Valkyrie - October 23, 2017 at 11:04 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by JackRussell - October 25, 2017 at 2:58 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by Cyberman - October 25, 2017 at 3:16 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by JackRussell - October 25, 2017 at 3:28 pm
RE: Thoughts on Hell? - by JackRussell - October 27, 2017 at 3:46 pm

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