RE: Still a Christian - ask me questions/tell me about yourselves
October 18, 2017 at 4:23 pm
(This post was last modified: October 18, 2017 at 4:26 pm by Whateverist.)
(October 18, 2017 at 2:50 pm)speedyj1992 Wrote:(October 13, 2017 at 11:11 am)Whateverist Wrote: Just curious if you are as motivated to help people avoid eating dishes you can't stomach? Do you always assume that what suits you will suit others? Just because you've decided to live the xtian fantasy and like it says nothing about how it would suit me. Of course, from within that fantasy which it doesn't suit me to join you in, anyone who doesn't join you is in for one hell of a bad time. Bt hey, it was your decision to enter into that fantasy; if you're uncomfortable with your new beliefs why don't you consider doing something about it - something that doesn't annoy me.
I can't say for certain that you will be open to what I have to say, but I can say that, during my atheist period, it was more about rejecting a dogma than accepting a different one.
With you so far. In becoming what is called an atheist all I've done is reject xtian dogma.
I'm wondering if you're defining atheist in the archaic "believes god does not exist" sense rather than the more modern "lacks belief in gods" sense. I have no beliefs in relation to gods -including their non-existence- as I don't understand what it is "gods" even refers to. Listening to those who say they do believe in gods I find little agreement, even just among xtians. If you are laboring under the assumption that I've traded god belief for the positive belief that something believers assert cannot be detected in any objectively verifiable sense, then you would be mistaken. However I do reject as nonexistent anything said to be 'supernatural'. I do categorically reject any such thing until such time as anyone can produce even one unambiguous example of such a thing. (Eyewitness reports are of no interest to me.)
(October 18, 2017 at 2:50 pm)speedyj1992 Wrote: Other former atheists will say similar things, and since I can't know whether you are in a similar place or not, whether or not you would be willing to hear more about what's actually in the Bible (the misconceptions are astounding, actually), I just want to provide a new viewpoint. I am fine listening to alternative perspectives and engaging in discussions about that, as nothing about my "new" (if you would call the last quarter of my life "new") beliefs is anything I am uncomfortable with.
And I am happy to discuss a wide variety of topics but have no interest at all in the bible. Never read it though I've heard some quotes taken from it. Even if I was open to the supernatural category I would still reject any notion that a god has sent me an important and urgent message by way of such a hodgepodge of a book.
Something I also reject as highly unlikely is the notion of an afterlife. Life is finite and there is no continuation when it is over, leastwise there is no good reason for believing such an odd idea. After death comes new life, as new as my own was when I born and those too will end in death. C'est la vie.
(October 18, 2017 at 2:50 pm)speedyj1992 Wrote: And if this annoys you, feel free to unfollow and stay in your comfort zone. But the fact that you went out of your way to respond, that you're on these boards in the first place, tells me that you have emotion around this, and if you truly didn't care, then you wouldn't respond. The fact you're reading this tells me that part of you is invested, even if negatively so, and I'd love to know some of your reasoning behind that.
That is probably true for quite a good number of our members. Of course there is emotion left over if those charged with nurturing your development into adulthood unknowingly deceive you and then reject you when you reject those beliefs. Fortunately for me that wasn't my experience. I responded here in a limited way on a specific topic. Trust me, it was not a cry for help. Many of us will be rubbed the wrong way if you insist on offering what you found useful as a panacea for us all. I'm having a very satisfactory life without gods and see no chance of that changing.
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