RE: Excuse your God
October 23, 2017 at 7:43 pm
(This post was last modified: October 23, 2017 at 8:09 pm by Simon Moon.)
(October 23, 2017 at 7:05 pm)MysticKnight Wrote:(October 23, 2017 at 1:19 pm)possibletarian Wrote: Are you saying that to know it's true you first have to believe it's true?
No, the opposite, I am saying first you know, and then you have faith, which is nothing but confidences in one's knowledge of clear proofs once they are understood through reflection.
What is the process I should use in order to 'know' that your god exists?
If I 'know' that god exists, why do I need faith? I don't use faith for any of my other beliefs. I rely on evidence and valid/sound logic for those. That is the only way I can claim to know things, to be convinced they are true by the availability of evidence and logic to support them.
Quote:Thank you for trying to understand.
I know this was not meant for me, but I always want to understand why people believe things, and if they are able to support their beliefs with evidence and valid/sound logic, I will be convinced to believe them also. If a god exists, I want to know it.
Quote:I am saying who you end up following if God exists and made a guidance come from him, are the same humans you have to look for proofs of the religion, and their authority, and God's authority and to know who God is and his manifest proofs.
That's a big 'IF' you dropped in the first sentence. As soon as you, or anyone, can get past that huge 'IF', then and only then, can we start talking about humans that might have some demonstrable information from this god.
As it is, any human that currently claims to have a direct line to a god, is, as far as I can tell, delusional. And if they are not being delusional, how am I supposed to tell the difference between a delusional person, and a person that actually has a line to god?
Quote:And if you don't go to them when you are lost and confused, but just wait for a Theists to come save you from ignorance or rely on other then God to know God, there is no excuse if you had access to their teachings.
I am not confused or lost. I am unconvinced.
If I use the mind that your god gave me, to come to the conclusion that there is not enough evidence to support his existence, why is it my fault? Your god knows what would convince me, right? He also wants me to believe he exists, right? How is it my fault if I don't believe?
Quote:It is upon you to give religions their proper due and investigate the truth and strive to know God to your last breath.
I do give religions their 'proper due'. None of them are supported by evidence or logic to believe they are true.
How can I strive to 'know' god, until I am convinced that he exists?
You have this exactly backwards.
First I have to be convinced, by evidence and valid/sound logic, that a god exists. Then I have to be convinced, by the same criteria, that it is your god. Then we can start talking about whether he is worthy of 'striving to know him'.
If you spent as much time studying basic logic as you do coming up with all these fallacious posts, you may be able to free your mind of your unwarranted beliefs.
You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.
