RE: Excuse your God
October 23, 2017 at 8:36 pm
(This post was last modified: October 23, 2017 at 8:42 pm by Mystic.)
(October 23, 2017 at 7:40 pm)possibletarian Wrote:(October 23, 2017 at 7:05 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: No, the opposite, I am saying first you know, and then you have faith, which is nothing but confidences in one's knowledge of clear proofs once they are understood through reflection.
That does not make sense, at least to me, how do you first 'know'?
You don't, you form a hypothesis that it is true, search for evidence and reflect over the scripture in that regard. You also like the scientific method search to find it false. You do this check and balance objectively, and if the book is from God, it will make you reflect over things you should reflect about pertaining to proofs of God and the proper religion. If you reflect sincerely and give it a proper study, but find it is false or find no proofs for it, then it is definitely false since it claims to be a guidance and what kind of guidance doesn't guide a sincere objective seeker.
It is that simple my friend. Don't overthink it but do think it through.
(October 23, 2017 at 8:36 pm)MysticKnight Wrote:(October 23, 2017 at 7:40 pm)possibletarian Wrote: That does not make sense, at least to me, how do you first 'know'?
You don't, you form a hypothesis that it is true, search for evidence and reflect over the scripture in that regard. You also like the scientific method search to find it false. You do this check and balance objectively, and if the book is from God, it will make you reflect over things you should reflect about pertaining to proofs of God and the proper religion. If you reflect sincerely and give it a proper study, but find it is false or find no proofs for it, then it is definitely false since it claims to be a guidance and what kind of guidance doesn't guide a sincere objective seeker.
It is that simple my friend. Don't overthink it but do think it through.
Oh sorry, I misread. You first know through reflection over proofs. But that doesn't mean you will accept them. This can be lack of confidence in ability to understand and one's perception or it can be for a variety of factors. Some of these are psychological, and hence Quran helps do away with those sources of doubts as well.
When you take leap and jump on confidence in vision and the loving heart perceives through confidence it has recognize the truth admist the many lies and falsehoods, then it will be only due to knowing already.
But knowing clear proofs doesn't mean one will take the leap of faith but can turn their heart away and deny the clearest of things.