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The atheists catch 22 situation.
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation.
(October 23, 2017 at 6:56 pm)possibletarian Wrote:
(October 14, 2017 at 8:56 am)Little Rik Wrote: Most atheists say..........well if God is real why then He doesn't show to us?

Before to make my comment I show you how Jesus put this question.

19. Unaided by the Spirit-breath, the work of intellection tends to solve the problems of the things we see, and nothing more.
20. The senses were ordained to bring into the mind mere pictures of the things that pass away; they do not deal with real things; they do not comprehend eternal law.
21. But man has something in his soul, a something that will tear the veil apart that he may see the world of real things.
22. We call this something, spirit consciousness; it sleeps in every soul, and cannot be awakened till the Holy Breath becomes a welcome guest.
23. This Holy Breath knocks at the door of every soul, but cannot enter in until the will of man throws wide the door.
24. There is no power in intellect to turn the key; philosophy and science both have toiled to get a glimpse behind the veil; but they have failed.
25. The secret spring that throws ajar the door of soul is touched by nothing else than purity in life, by prayer and holy thought.


http://www.sacred-texts.com/chr/agjc/agjc047.htm

It say.........cannot enter in until the will of man throws wide the door.........

You see?
Is all about opening.
How someone who is not interested in this opening can perceive God.
Isn't it a catch 22 situation?
On one hand atheists would like to get evidence but at the same time they keep the door shut so how can God enter?

I guess you guy never thought about it, did you?  Bird



We have read it though in multiple forms, a simpler way of saying it is 'You cannot believe until you believe enough to let belief in' which is nonsense, and can of course apply to any religion, dogma, fantasy, Harry Potter book or any conspiracy theory.

Normally people ask for evidence that once a leap of faith is taken then there will be clear evidence that what you have been promised is actually delivered, i mean other than believing it !


There are some similarities between physical love and spiritual love.

In both cases when you are interested in someone you got to show your interest to the other party.
The similarities however end up here because in the case of physical love the other party may not be 100% sure that your interest in him-her are genuine but in God case he can read your mind so there is no way you can fool him.

Now the question is.........how can an atheist have a genuine wish to establish a real relationship with God
considering his-her attitude toward him?
Atheists are generally intellectuals and the intellect has got big big problems.
Atheists think that by using the intellect they can understand everything but God can not be understand with the mind.
It is a love relationship therefore God can only be understood with the heart.
And here the similarities with physical love are back.

How can anyone love with the brain?
I guess you never thought about that POSS, did you?  Bird

(October 24, 2017 at 6:07 am)Mathilda Wrote: So I've been following your advice Little Prik and started doing some intuitional science and came across some interesting results. I've been experimenting with astral projection. It turns out that we all do it when we sleep, but unless you practise lucid dreaming you don't realise. Anyway, I have found that geographical distance is not the same as distance within the mass unconscious. The latter is more like 6 degrees of separation. We're all connected in a psychic network and once you spend any time conversing with one another a psychic link gets added to the network in the mass unconscious. Long story short, it has been possible to track you down. I'm currently experimenting on seeing whether I can inhabit other people's body's when their soul is away travelling during their sleep. If you could start recording a log of how you feel every morning when you wake up then it would be useful when comparing with my attempts to astrally project into your body.


That is not the way that my spiritual teacher teaches.
Some people are eager to acquire special power to do this or that but that way is very very dangerous because once you get your way in than you want more and more until you want everything.
In this way you fall down consciously speaking and may well reborn in an animal form.

I leave that to you.
I prefer to climb the way up according to the rules.
In this way I stay up. Lightbulb
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The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Little Rik - October 14, 2017 at 8:56 am
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Gawdzilla Sama - October 14, 2017 at 8:58 am
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Fidel_Castronaut - October 20, 2017 at 2:14 pm
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Chad32 - October 14, 2017 at 9:00 am
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Little Rik - October 14, 2017 at 9:12 am
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Chad32 - October 14, 2017 at 9:45 am
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Little Rik - October 14, 2017 at 9:56 am
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Chad32 - October 14, 2017 at 9:59 am
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Little Rik - October 14, 2017 at 10:15 am
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Chad32 - October 14, 2017 at 11:06 am
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by notimportant1234 - October 14, 2017 at 2:37 pm
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Little Rik - October 15, 2017 at 11:41 am
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Crossless2.0 - October 15, 2017 at 11:57 am
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Brian37 - October 14, 2017 at 10:36 am
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Little Rik - October 15, 2017 at 10:13 am
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Ravenshire - October 14, 2017 at 4:55 pm
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by I_am_not_mafia - October 14, 2017 at 9:01 am
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Cyberman - October 14, 2017 at 9:27 am
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Brian37 - October 14, 2017 at 9:04 am
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Little Rik - October 14, 2017 at 9:48 am
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by JackRussell - October 14, 2017 at 9:08 am
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by downbeatplumb - October 14, 2017 at 9:18 am
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Little Rik - October 14, 2017 at 9:27 am
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Aegon - October 14, 2017 at 12:45 pm
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by downbeatplumb - October 15, 2017 at 9:27 am
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Crossless2.0 - October 14, 2017 at 9:18 am
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Little Rik - October 14, 2017 at 9:39 am
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Thumpalumpacus - October 14, 2017 at 9:35 am
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Amarok - October 14, 2017 at 9:51 am
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Amarok - October 14, 2017 at 10:02 am
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Minimalist - October 14, 2017 at 12:35 pm
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by The Valkyrie - October 14, 2017 at 12:49 pm
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Pat Mustard - October 14, 2017 at 1:59 pm
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by vorlon13 - October 14, 2017 at 2:43 pm
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by notimportant1234 - October 14, 2017 at 2:47 pm
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Chad32 - October 14, 2017 at 2:56 pm
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by vorlon13 - October 14, 2017 at 2:48 pm
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by notimportant1234 - October 14, 2017 at 2:57 pm
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Pat Mustard - October 14, 2017 at 7:05 pm
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by notimportant1234 - October 14, 2017 at 7:10 pm
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Brian37 - October 14, 2017 at 7:23 pm
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by notimportant1234 - October 14, 2017 at 7:36 pm
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Pat Mustard - October 15, 2017 at 8:37 am
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by notimportant1234 - October 15, 2017 at 8:41 am
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Whateverist - October 15, 2017 at 11:47 am
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Little Rik - October 16, 2017 at 10:42 am
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Pat Mustard - October 15, 2017 at 12:45 pm
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Chad32 - October 14, 2017 at 3:03 pm
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by notimportant1234 - October 14, 2017 at 3:14 pm
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by zebo-the-fat - October 14, 2017 at 4:44 pm
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Chad32 - October 14, 2017 at 6:09 pm
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Edwardo Piet - October 14, 2017 at 4:45 pm
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Whateverist - October 14, 2017 at 5:02 pm
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - October 15, 2017 at 9:26 am
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by drfuzzy - October 15, 2017 at 2:01 pm
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by JackRussell - October 15, 2017 at 2:14 pm
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Little Rik - October 16, 2017 at 11:12 am
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by henryp - October 16, 2017 at 11:38 am
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Crossless2.0 - October 16, 2017 at 11:50 am
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - October 18, 2017 at 6:52 pm
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by henryp - October 16, 2017 at 10:48 am
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Shell B - October 16, 2017 at 11:32 am
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Whateverist - October 20, 2017 at 12:54 pm
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by JackRussell - October 16, 2017 at 12:17 pm
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Little Rik - October 17, 2017 at 8:21 am
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by I_am_not_mafia - October 17, 2017 at 9:27 am
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by JackRussell - October 17, 2017 at 9:42 am
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Simon Moon - October 17, 2017 at 2:33 pm
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by mordant - October 17, 2017 at 2:39 pm
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Little Rik - October 18, 2017 at 5:07 am
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by JackRussell - October 17, 2017 at 2:44 pm
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Succubus - October 18, 2017 at 7:16 am
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by JackRussell - October 18, 2017 at 2:33 pm
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Little Rik - October 18, 2017 at 6:32 pm
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by mordant - October 19, 2017 at 11:42 am
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Little Rik - October 20, 2017 at 7:23 am
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Fake Messiah - October 20, 2017 at 12:45 pm
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Little Rik - October 21, 2017 at 9:29 am
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Whateverist - October 21, 2017 at 9:56 am
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by downbeatplumb - October 21, 2017 at 10:01 am
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Little Rik - October 21, 2017 at 10:39 am
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Fake Messiah - October 21, 2017 at 4:34 pm
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Nay_Sayer - October 21, 2017 at 10:06 pm
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by JackRussell - October 19, 2017 at 2:46 am
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Little Rik - October 20, 2017 at 7:07 am
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RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by JackRussell - October 19, 2017 at 4:13 pm
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by I_am_not_mafia - October 20, 2017 at 7:18 am
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Succubus - October 20, 2017 at 7:17 am
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Whateverist - October 20, 2017 at 2:16 pm
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by JackRussell - October 21, 2017 at 3:46 pm
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Little Rik - October 22, 2017 at 4:29 am
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Fake Messiah - October 22, 2017 at 6:31 am
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Little Rik - October 22, 2017 at 10:39 am
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Edwardo Piet - October 21, 2017 at 6:38 pm
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Cyberman - October 21, 2017 at 10:00 pm
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RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Little Rik - October 23, 2017 at 9:40 am
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RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Minimalist - October 22, 2017 at 4:15 pm
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RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Minimalist - October 23, 2017 at 11:49 am
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Little Rik - October 24, 2017 at 5:49 am
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Minimalist - October 28, 2017 at 11:37 am
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Little Rik - October 29, 2017 at 10:14 am
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by possibletarian - October 23, 2017 at 6:56 pm
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Little Rik - October 24, 2017 at 6:10 am
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by I_am_not_mafia - October 24, 2017 at 8:05 am
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Cyberman - October 24, 2017 at 8:53 am
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Crossless2.0 - October 24, 2017 at 9:35 am
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Whateverist - October 24, 2017 at 10:00 am
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Crossless2.0 - October 24, 2017 at 10:12 am
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Minimalist - October 23, 2017 at 8:51 pm
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by I_am_not_mafia - October 24, 2017 at 6:07 am
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by possibletarian - October 24, 2017 at 7:55 am
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by I_am_not_mafia - October 24, 2017 at 10:51 am
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Crossless2.0 - October 24, 2017 at 10:56 am
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by I_am_not_mafia - October 24, 2017 at 2:53 pm
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Crossless2.0 - October 24, 2017 at 3:09 pm
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Fake Messiah - October 24, 2017 at 3:26 pm
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Little Rik - October 25, 2017 at 7:08 am
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by I_am_not_mafia - October 25, 2017 at 7:30 am
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Fake Messiah - October 25, 2017 at 3:23 pm
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by JackRussell - October 24, 2017 at 2:39 pm
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by JackRussell - October 24, 2017 at 3:00 pm
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by ignoramus - October 25, 2017 at 7:23 am
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Cyberman - October 25, 2017 at 8:47 am
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Whateverist - October 25, 2017 at 9:31 am
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Little Rik - October 25, 2017 at 6:51 pm
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Fidel_Castronaut - October 26, 2017 at 2:17 am
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Whateverist - October 26, 2017 at 7:47 pm
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by I_am_not_mafia - October 26, 2017 at 2:16 am
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by ignoramus - October 26, 2017 at 5:05 am
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Cyberman - October 26, 2017 at 3:29 am
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Little Rik - October 26, 2017 at 7:28 am
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by JackRussell - October 26, 2017 at 5:10 am
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Cyberman - October 26, 2017 at 8:03 am
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Little Rik - October 26, 2017 at 7:23 pm
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by The Valkyrie - October 26, 2017 at 9:01 pm
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Cyberman - October 27, 2017 at 3:33 am
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Little Rik - October 27, 2017 at 9:07 am
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Whateverist - October 27, 2017 at 9:33 am
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Little Rik - October 27, 2017 at 9:49 am
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Whateverist - October 27, 2017 at 9:58 am
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Little Rik - October 27, 2017 at 10:09 am
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Whateverist - October 27, 2017 at 10:45 am
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Little Rik - October 27, 2017 at 11:02 am
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by The LORD - October 27, 2017 at 10:20 pm
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Catholic_Lady - October 27, 2017 at 11:12 pm
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Nay_Sayer - October 27, 2017 at 11:37 pm
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by I_am_not_mafia - October 28, 2017 at 9:38 am
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by downbeatplumb - October 28, 2017 at 9:26 am
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Whateverist - October 28, 2017 at 1:32 pm
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Cyberman - October 30, 2017 at 5:42 am
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Cyberman - October 30, 2017 at 6:50 am
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by The LORD - October 30, 2017 at 8:15 pm
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by ignoramus - October 27, 2017 at 10:29 pm
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Angrboda - October 28, 2017 at 9:38 am
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Silver - October 28, 2017 at 1:37 pm
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Little Rik - October 30, 2017 at 7:11 pm
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by vorlon13 - November 1, 2017 at 12:12 pm
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Cyberman - October 30, 2017 at 8:31 pm
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by The LORD - October 31, 2017 at 4:37 am
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Cyberman - October 31, 2017 at 4:48 am
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by LuisDantas - October 30, 2017 at 9:03 pm
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Little Rik - October 31, 2017 at 7:37 am
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Aroura - October 31, 2017 at 8:21 am
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Little Rik - November 1, 2017 at 2:47 am
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by LuisDantas - November 1, 2017 at 11:56 am
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by LuisDantas - October 31, 2017 at 8:36 am
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Cyberman - October 31, 2017 at 4:43 am
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Aroura - October 31, 2017 at 9:10 am
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by henryp - October 31, 2017 at 9:30 am
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Aroura - November 1, 2017 at 4:46 am
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Little Rik - November 1, 2017 at 5:04 am

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